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    god, God, GOD

    In the original Greek and Hebrew all letters were capital; there was no capitalization rules. So, when Jesus is called God, that's the Greek word THEOS. Are you aware that's the same word used for Satan? "The god (THEOS) of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers." 2Cor 4:4

    Are you aware that Jesus called the Jewish leaders gods (THEOS)? "Is it not written in your books, I have said you are gods (THEOS)?" Jhn 10:34

    And where was Jesus quoting from? He was quoting Psm 82 where human judges are called ELOHIM. That's right, human judges were called GOD.

    The term god, God or GOD simply means authority to rule from the Father. And how do you determine which god rules over which god? Context: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God". Jhn 20:17
     
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    One

    Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." Jhn 10:30

    See, the Trinity is true, right? Not so fast. Just a few chapters later He said, "I pray they may all be one, just as you and I are one, Father." Jhn 17:21
     
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    Jesus Was Worshipped

    The Distinction Between Proskyneō and Latreuō — Why Only the Father Receives True Worship

    Most modern readers blur two Greek verbs that the New Testament keeps separate:

    προσκυνέω (proskyneō) — “to bow down, pay homage, revere,” and

    λατρεύω (latreuō) — “to render sacred service, to serve as to God.”

    Understanding this distinction removes the confusion about how honor is directed between the Father and the Son.

    -Proskyneō — Homage or Reverence

    This word is used broadly. People proskyneō rulers (Matt 18:26), angels (Rev 19:10—refused), and Christ (Matt 28:9, 17; John 9:38).

    It describes reverence toward authority, not necessarily divine worship.

    When believers bowed before Jesus, they were recognizing him as the one the Father had exalted—the Messiah, Lord, and appointed King (Phil 2:9-11).

    It’s the same kind of reverence Israelites gave to David as God’s anointed.

    -Latreuō — Sacred Service

    By contrast, latreuō is never used of Jesus.
    It always points to the Father:
    “You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve (latreuseis).” — Luke 4:8
    “We are the circumcision, who serve (latreuontes) God in the Spirit and glory in Christ Jesus.” — Phil 3:3
    “They serve (latreuousin) Him day and night in His temple.” — Rev 7:15
    Even in Revelation 22:3, where “the throne of God and of the Lamb” is singular, the service is still described in the singular—one divine source being served.

    -The Theological Pattern

    The Father → the ultimate source of life, the One to whom latreia belongs.
    The Son → the firstborn of creation (Col 1:15), exalted by the Father, receiving proskyneō as the representative of divine authority.
    This maintains monotheism without the philosophical tangle of later Trinitarian dogma.
    The Son is honored because of the Father’s will, not as a co-equal deity.

    -Why the Distinction Matters

    Blending these verbs leads to doctrinal distortion.
    Scripture teaches a clear hierarchy of reverence and service:

    We bow to the Son as King,
    We serve the Father as God.

    To give latreia to any other being—including the exalted Son—would contradict Christ’s own words in Luke 4:8.

    -Conclusion

    The New Testament preserves this linguistic boundary deliberately.

    Christ is worthy of all honor (John 5:23) because the Father granted it to him, but latreia—sacred worship and service—belongs to the Father alone.

    That isn’t a downgrade of Christ; it’s the divine order He himself upheld:

    “My food is to do the will of Him who sent me.” (John 4:34)
     
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    Day or Hour
    Jesus' words in Mth 24:36 about knowing the day or hour were in the perfect tense in Greek; in other words, present tense. No one up to that moment knew.

    Our Lord always has His prophets in their time. "For the Lord GOD does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets." (Amos 3:7)

    Jesus made Himself known as the "son of man" while living as a man; to presume that neither He nor His prophets would announce His coming in the proper time fails to account for the entire biblical corpus.
     
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    Works

    Paul reminds us that we are justified apart from works of the Law, while James reminds us that faith apart from works of love is dead.
     
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    Yahusha or Jesus?

    First off, He's the one who confused the languages, after all.

    Second, there were no vowels in Hebrew.

    Third, He cares about the intent behind the one speaking, not their accent.
     
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    Heresy

    Heresy is a bandwagon fallacy.

    Either way, I'll wear that moniker proudly. Something isn't true simply because it's the majority view. I'll stick with Truth, thank you very much...
     
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    Death & Resurrection

    What does the Bible say happens when a person dies?

    “His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; on that very day his thoughts perish.” — Psalm 146:4

    “The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all.” — Ecclesiastes 9:5

    “There is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave.” — Ecclesiastes 9:10

    “The dead do not praise Jah… they go down into the silence of death.” — Psalm 115:17

    Jesus compared death to sleep when Lazarus died. He said, “Lazarus our friend has fallen asleep,” and then explained plainly, “Lazarus has died.” — John 11:11–14

    Paul also wrote that without the resurrection, those who have fallen asleep in death “have perished.” — 1 Corinthians 15:16–18

    Taken together, these scriptures describe death as the end of conscious thought, activity and awareness. The dead are not shown living elsewhere as immortal souls. They are asleep in death, awaiting the time when Christ calls them back to life.

    “The hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out.” — John 5:28–29

    The Bible’s hope for the dead is not continued conscious life after death, but resurrection.

    What hope does the Bible give for those who have died?

    Jesus promised that “all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out.” — John 5:28–29

    Paul likewise spoke of “a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.” — Acts 24:15

    Where will resurrected mankind live?

    “The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it.” — Psalm 37:29

    “The meek will possess the earth, and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.” — Psalm 37:11

    The earth was not created to be abandoned. Jehovah “formed it to be inhabited,” and he has established it to remain. — Isaiah 45:18; Psalm 104:5

    Under God’s Kingdom, the earth will be restored to paradise. People will build homes and live in them, plant vineyards and enjoy their fruit. They will not labor only for others to take what they produce. — Isaiah 65:21–23

    Sickness, disability and suffering will be removed:

    “At that time the eyes of the blind will be opened, and the ears of the deaf will be unstopped. At that time the lame will leap like the deer, and the tongue of the speechless will shout for joy.” — Isaiah 35:5–6

    Even death itself will come to an end:

    “He will swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will wipe away the tears from all faces.” — Isaiah 25:8

    “Death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.” — Revelation 21:3–4

    The Bible’s hope is not that mankind leaves the earth to live forever as immortal souls. Its promise is that the dead will be resurrected, the earth will be restored to paradise, and obedient mankind will live upon it forever.

    “The righteous will possess the earth, and they will live forever on it.” — Psalm 37:29
     
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    Before Abraham was, I Am

    John 8:58 certainly teaches that Jesus existed before Abraham, but it does not say that Jesus was pronouncing the divine name or identifying himself as YHWH.

    The Greek is:

    πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ἐγώ εἰμι

    prin Abraam genesthai, egō eimi

    “Before Abraham came to be, I am.”

    The question immediately preceding it was: “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus answered that chronological objection by declaring that his existence preceded Abraham’s. The contrast is between Abraham coming into existence—genesthai—and Jesus already being in existence—egō eimi.

    But egō eimi is not itself the name YHWH. It is the ordinary Greek expression “I am” or, depending on context, “I existed.” or "I am he." The formerly blind man uses the exact same words in John 9:9: egō eimi, “I am he.” No one imagines that the healed man was claiming to be YHWH.

    Nor does Exodus 3:14 in the Greek Septuagint simply give God’s name as egō eimi. It reads:

    ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν
    “I am the One who is.”

    God then tells Moses to say:

    ὁ ὢν ἀπέσταλκέν με
    “The One who is has sent me.”

    Thus, in the Greek version, the identifying expression is ho ōn—“the One who is”—not the bare phrase egō eimi. John 8:58 does not say egō eimi ho ōn.

    The Hebrew distinction is also important. In Exodus 3:14 God says ’ehyeh, a first-person form meaning “I am” or “I will be.” In the following verse he gives the name YHWH, which is related to the Hebrew verb “to be” but is not the first-person expression “I am.” It is commonly understood as a third-person form along the lines of “He is,” “He will be,” or “He is present." Therefore, saying that the Greek words egō eimi are simply the Greek pronunciation or equivalent of the name YHWH is linguistically untrue.

    The rest of John also preserves the distinction between Jesus and his God:

    “My Father is greater than I.” — John 14:28

    “That they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent.” — John 17:3

    “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.” — John 20:17

    Therefore, Jesus was saying, "Before Abraham was, I existed." He was not saying, “I am YHWH.”

    When translations use “I am,” this describes Jesus’ existance before Abraham; “YHWH” is God’s name, meaning "HE IS." The Greek phrase egō eimi is not, that name.
     
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    The Law

    The Mosaic Law was obsolete the moment God told Jeremiah of a new covenant coming. The Mosaic covenant vanished through fulfillment the moment Christ entered heaven in the High Priest role. (Heb 8-9)

    "In speaking of a new covenant, he made the first one obsolete, and what is obsolete and aging will soon vanish." Heb 8:13

    YWHW made the Mosaic covenant obsolete by telling Jeremiah of a new one. Once Jesus fulfilled the high priest role, the Mosaic temple no longer functioned in God's plans, and the Mosaic covenant vanished.

    "The way into the holy places is not yet known as long as the temple is still functioning." Hen 9:8

    And then we're told when we knew the way into the holy places.

    "He entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood." Heb 9:12

    All things under the Mosaic covenant were shadows of the realities in Christ. Our bodies are the temple, just as our prayers and works are the sacrifices.

    Covenants are promises, and the Mosaic promise was fulfilled in Christ, ending the Mosaic temple structure. The new covenant was the promise to rule a kingdom given by Christ the night He was arrested.

    His Law, which He spoke of, we are to maintain, is the law of love...
     

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