Hi Single Cell and all, Getting hung up on one expression is not a good idea. If we are familiar with the whole body of the living word of truth then the anointing spirit will remind us of other scriptures that bear on any subject. The answer to the (all Israel) seems rather simple to my small brain. Paul explained it at: Galatians 6: 15 For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation is something. 16 And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God. This is the scriptural definition of the Israel of God. Have a blessed day. Joe
Sorry, disappeared for the weekend (Joshua, I don't want to push this argument, because as BTJ illustrates with his comment -- it's too hard to delineate all of these ideas, and I'm not a "Judaizer" LOL, you guys are hearing something I'm not arguing for) The discussion of physical Israel has nothing to do with the "Israel of God"; which is why I stated a few times that the Evangelical wing of prophecy has gone bananas, because that IS what they are saying. Here is my point: Jehovah is loyal, when we are not; in Micah 6:8 the term "cherish loyalty" in Hebrew, were you to dig in, means: Jehovah's loyalty goes beyond the behavior of those he is loyal too. This is the form of loyalty we should cherish. Point? God is loyal to Abraham's children, even though they are not; Romans 11 is about him extending that loyalty to Abraham's children at SOME point in the future. One can apply all sort of short-circuited metaphors to this chapter, but I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation for what Romans 10 and 11 are saying! Ignore single verses; read the concept THEN go to single verses to fetter out the deeper meaning. Paul stated this was a sacred secret ... so what is the secret? Just to re-iterate: - I am NOT suggesting that "physical Israel" is the subject of prophecy; just one tiny aspect - I'm not suggesting that Spiritual Israel is anything but True Christians Just the simple statement of Romans 11 - JEHOVAH is loyal, when they are not. And with that, I'll leave the discussion there. <3 brothers Sorry for the bold and large fonts, I'm not yelling Highlighting main points, if you are a skimmer!
This is a very bad idea. I wish people would actual read the posts and threads before commenting. No one ever understands each others view point by doing that and we end up repeating ourselves over and over.
I would like to comment on the Trump presidency. I do believe we may see the rapid entrance into many more prophecies of Revelation. I believe we need to man up in our Christian ministry to JW's and especially all Christians at this time. This seems as pivotal an election as when Cyrus overthrew Babylon. I eagerly, yet fearfully, await the future. I do believe we should do as Paul said at this time; "Throw off every weight and the sins that easily entangle us". If we are pursuing worldliness in any fashion; jettison it now. Pursue the ministry. Repudiate new moral non-values, and materialistic or egotistical goals. Seek to encourage all Christians to get ready for persecution as foretold; first intimidation, then by order of Law, as Daniel experienced. It seems the fertilizer for openly destroying 'biggotted Christianity' is being spread to a greater depth than is possible for Christianity to be favored by the US government as a nation under God. We are seeing the signs of Sodom and Gomorrah as Jesus said we would. We are also see all-out war against Christians in Muslim-held lands...as foretold. (religions killing us as a sacred service to Allah). Band together as one; faithful to Christ and the word of God. Peace to you all.
Hi John S, I have heard many evangelicals admire Donald Trump, and they are puttting their hopes on him as if he was a Cyrus like figure supporting the true believers. What do you think? Or do you expect that he instead will persecute the saints?
Hey Jan, Not being any kind of prophet, all I can give is an opinion; I never heard him claim to be a Christian, and his actions don't seem to reflect Christianity; maybe the opposite? (Matt. 6:24)
Donald Trump is a clear Nationalist and a champion of the "Nation State" System and a clear opponent of the Globalist System. He is a wrench in the works for the Globalist's. If anything, I think that Jehovah may use Trump in order to hasten Satan into destroying the Nation State System with one big motion (dragging him by his jaws). I am not saying that Trump is on Jehovah's side, merely that he will "use" him for his purposes. Jehovah is on his timescale, not mine, yours or Satan's, so he could very well use Trump to force Satan's hand. So far, Satan has had pretty smooth operating in gathering the Nations together in a global system, but they are not there yet and Putin and Trump seem to be the fly's in the ointment. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Whether he is a "Christian" or just claims to be, I don't know, and I don't think it matters. Jehovah will use him how he likes. If Donald decides to embrace Jehovah's plan in the end, I am fairly sure he will be accepted like any other person who shows faith, and love and repentance. If not, he will be disciplined with all the others in the second death.
What do you say who leads the globalists? Have you any names of great influetial globalists? If you know could you please share your knowledge?
http://www.theglobalist.com/trump-must-prepare-for-showdown-with-china/ Ok, I checked up it already. Henry Kissinger is a top globalist and he is endorsing Donald Trump. And see what the Globalist publication wants Trump to do in the link above. That is exactly what Trump talked about all the time. Do you see any conmection between the globalists and Donald Trump?
I remember the scripture that Paul wrote saying we should pray the rulers have God's wisdom and mercy. Not a bad attitude, like Frank stated. Trump for a certainty has the cajones to take on the world as he seems to be ready. I wouldn't want the job. Satan is the god of this system, and he told Jesus he gives the kingship to whomever he pleases. I think we can take that to the bank as true. Jesus, on the other hand, said, "My kingdom is not of this world", so we do well as we abstain from participation (other than prayer).
I think Frank's point (which I agree with) is that on the surface, Trump is oppositional to the global order. Is he lying? Perhaps. Nobody would be shocked if he were. In the US, people perceive Trump as a nationalist, and he publicly decries "globalism". On the otherhand, he is extending peace to Russia ... so we'll see. There is the encrypted "king of the north" lying to the "king of the south" prophecy in Daniel 11 to consider. Perhaps the KotS is as Robert King described 10+ years ago ... the "US system" vs the "British system". Or perhaps the Watchtower is right, and the KotN shifted to Russia ...
I agree - some sort of Marxist / Fascist global state. The re-birth of Russia under Putin is interesting in that regard.
Robert seems to think Russia is a republic, for whatever that's worth... Personally I think he's fallen into the same trap as the Watchtower, closed and hard headed and hard hearted. I tend now to lean on the wait and see aspect of identifying the players once the events begin to unfold. If we understand the chronology, then once the first trumpet comes, we'll know the players... Have you gone back over the chronology of Daniel brother? The last time we were discussing it we left off with the 1260-1335 days...
I think people in USA have then misunderstood the whole thing. What it is about is that Donald Trump opposes other countries to take advantage of USA. Because that is how it has been for a while. But if Donald Trump can lead the rest of the world, then it is a totaly different story. Actually the top globalists, David Rockefeller and his front man Henry Kissinger are in total agreement that USA should be the leader of the global society. Their goal is to chip the entire world population. So that must have been the reason the have helped China and other countries to develope techically. They want all the world be connected through internet. In their world everyone should be online. And be tracked. So they have total control. Satan must be driving this because he wants everyone get the mark of the beast. The RFID chip.
Jan can Jan can I ask why you think the RFID chip would be the mark of the beast .......personally I don't beleive this because unless it involved some form of allegiance or worship to the UN....why would it be wrong?
Thinking, may be you should study the scriptures talking about the mark of the beast simultaneously with the news about what are the plans for the RFID chip. Then you would see the connection.
With all do respect Thinking is right... You are connecting what you wish to the prophecy. The same understanding you apply to the mark of the beast could be said to be credit cards, cash, what have you... What you are missing is allowing Revelation to explain itself. First off, only those in Babylon could buy and sell, therefore it has nothing to do with everyone, nor any monetary value. Rev 18:11 "Also, the merchants of the earth are weeping and mourning over her, because there is no one to buy their full cargo anymore," Once Babylon goes down there is no one to buy and sell, therefore only those within Babylon could receive the mark to buy and sell. And you miss the fact that the buying and selling is a form of worship. Rev 3:18 "I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich," Our Lord directs us to buy from him, therefore the buying and selling are forms of worship. Besides, I posted to you the explanation of the mark of the beast and the 666 representing the fall of Solomon. This allows scripture to explain itself, it does not need us to imply our own understanding into it.
http://realnewsrightnow.com/2015/11/trump-we-need-a-final-solution-to-the-immigration-problem/ This article says that Donald Trump wants to RFID chip illegal immigrants. That is just in line with the Rockefellers.
Joshua, may be this part of the scripture slipped your attention? because there is no one to buy their full cargo anymore," And credit cards or money are not the same as an inserted mark under the skin. Or if it will be an electronic tattoo with the same function, that is also really a mark.