Forgiveness & Sin

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    Hey, brother.

    Have you considered this scripture in accordance with your comment above?

    "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies." Jhn 8:44

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    Timothy Kline said:
    Satan didn't lie to Eve. He deceived her, yes. Lied to her, no.


    Always.

    From Eve's perspective, the Seraph had not lied in telling her she wouldn't die on the journey upon which she would come to know good and evil. And since sin loves company, sin sought to multiply itself through Eve's offer to Adam to join her in disobedience. Which, of course, Adam was already willing to do, having seen that she had disobeyed Jehovah's command and hadn't died— as he doesn't even hesitate.

    And yes, with scriptural hindsight, we know this of the devil through scripture; Eve wasn't armed as we are today with our ready access to scripture. Even so, she and Adam both became an example written for our instruction.

    But all these things that occurred to them were for our example and it was written for our admonition, for their end of the world has come upon us. — 1 Corinthians 10:11 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

    I was writing from Eve's perspective, and Jesus was speaking from the perspective of the believer.

    A question in turn:

    What did Adam know that Eve did not, thus allowing her to be deceived?

    Submitted for your perusal and consideration,
    Timothy,
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    It is my understanding that the serpent did indeed lie to Eve,

    "You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Gen 2:16,17

    "But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die." Gen 3:4

    "But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." 2Pt 3:8

    "Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died." Gen 5:5

    From my reading, the serpent lied to Eve for Adam died "in that day."

    I would say nothing. Eve knew exactly what Adam did. The serpent said she wouldn't die; that was a lie. She did die.

    Besides, the serpent claimed simply that she would not die, period. That would have been Eve's perspective.

    Do you feel John 8:44 is ambiguous?

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    Timothy Kline said:
    What did Adam know that Eve did not, thus allowing her to be deceived?​


    If Eve knew everything Adam did, how is it that she was deceived and Adam was not? What was the deception that worked on her but not Adam?

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    Greetings, brother.

    As I read it, it's relatively simple: Eve was lied to, believed it, and ate. Adam ate from the fruit, knowing full well that he should not.

    Deception is a lie. Eve knew she was lied to:

    "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." Gen 3:13

    We take from Scripture that Adam ate, knowing the consequences of his actions. (We've all been there.)

    "She gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate." Gen 3:12

    "Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." Gen 2:14

    Adam didn't eat because of the serpent's deception; he ate because the woman gave him the fruit. He was being completely honest. It was as simple as that.

    All love...

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    Thank you, @Joshuastone7 .

    --Timothy
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