Genesis 3:15

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    Below is the translation of Genesis 3:15 from Hebrew to English. Note: the word seed in genesis 3:15 in the bible is offspring. The word in the scrolls is not in Hebrew, but in Greek. It has two meanings, Sperm, and Offspring. Jehovah is speaking to Satan about two different offsprings... One belonging to Satan.

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    [TD]342 [e]
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    [TD]wə-’ê-ḇāh
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    [TD]וְאֵיבָ֣ה ׀
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    [TD]And enmity
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    [TD]Noun
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    [TD]7896 [e]
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    [TD]’ā-šîṯ,
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    [TD]אָשִׁ֗ית
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    [TD]I will put
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    [TD]Verb
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    [TD]996 [e]
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    [TD]bê-nə-ḵā
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    [TD]בֵּֽינְךָ֙
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    [TD]Between
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    [TD]Prep
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    [TD]996 [e]
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    [TD]ū-ḇên
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    [TD]וּבֵ֣ין
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    [TD]and between
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    [TD]Prep
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    [TD]802 [e]
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    [TD]hā-’iÅ¡-Å¡āh,
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    [TD]הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה
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    [TD]you and the women
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    [TD]Noun
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    [TD]996 [e]
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    [TD]ū-ḇên
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    [TD]וּבֵ֥ין
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    [TD]Prep
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    [TD]2233 [e]
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    [TD]zar-‘ă-ḵā
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    [TD]זַרְעֲךָ֖
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    [TD]your offspring
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    [TD]Noun ******
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    [TD]996 [e]
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    [TD]ū-ḇên
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    [TD]2233 [e]
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    [TD]zar-‘āh;
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    [TD]זַרְעָ֑הּ
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    [TD]her offspring
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    [TD]Noun ******
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    [TD]1931 [e]
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    [TD]ה֚וּא
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    [TD]he
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    [TD]Pro
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    [TD]7779 [e]
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    [TD]yə-Å¡ū-p̄ə-ḵā
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    [TD]יְשׁוּפְךָ֣
    [/TD]
    [TD]shall bruise
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    [TD]Verb
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    [TD]7218 [e]
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    [TD]rōÅ¡,
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    [TD]רֹ֔אשׁ
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    [TD]your head
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    [TD]859 [e]
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    [TD]wə-’at-tāh
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    [TD]וְאַתָּ֖ה
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    [TD]and you
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    [TD]Pro
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    [TD]7779 [e]
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    [TD]tə-Å¡ū-p̄en-nū
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    [TD]תְּשׁוּפֶ֥נּוּ
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    [TD]shall bruise
    [/TD]
    [TD]Verb
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]6119 [e]
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    [TD]‘ā-qêḇ.
    [/TD]
    [TD]עָקֵֽב׃
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    [TD]his heel
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    [TD]Noun
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    I was asked by one of the members to post links to my belief in two seeds. I have gathers several of my notes on the subject, and putting them in an order that is easy to read. Everything will be backed with scripture. I leave it to the readers to come away with their own conclusion on the subject.
    Please note: In my address I will be speaking of two types of people, and two types of Jews. The tribe of Judah is a part of the twelve tribes, and are also God people. I will try to keep these detach true Jews from the fake Jews, and others known as Tares.
    Much of my research over the years has been to match the English bible to the scrolls they were taken from, as shown above for
    the word seed = offspring.

    I will post my notes in just a few days.
     
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    What you are about to read, you either will, or will not agree with. Daniel after writing what God told him to write, asked, “What does this mean?†God Jehovah replied, “It is sealed until the time of the end.†Satan is the God of this system, and has said, “All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.†Luke 4:6 KJ. God Jehovah understood from the beginning of Satan’s rebellion the Holy Scriptures would come under attack, thus he authored the scrolls written in a manner that Satan, and those of his realm would not see the truth hidden in his written word. These things were sealed, and would remain so until the last days.
    I reasoned on what Satan might do? He would not have the power to see what was hidden within the scrolls, nor have the power to change what was written. What could he do? What would I do if I were he? With control of the whole world, I would invent what we today call a book of the scrolls. Easier to read than 28 foot scrolls. Books would allow the reader to read the scrolls in simple page, after page form in a book. Easy to carry anywhere. They could be written in all languages. In a book changes could be made, and things left out. What was taken from the scrolls and put into book form could be controlled. Those who translated the scrolls into book form would have to be under Satan’s control. The scrolls were written in Hebrew, and Greek. Like any great General of war, knowledge of how your enemy thinks, wins battles. Those doing the translations of the scrolls into this new wonder, the book, would have to be those with a heart for Satan. Jehovah created the perfect human to have the desire to serve him. It is the natural part of human DNA. In simple terms, DNA is like a computer program. Those who do not believe in God, and do not have the desire to serve Jehovah, would have a different program, a different DNA. Good programs can also be infected with a vires, like a computer program, if infected they stop working correctly. The name of this human DNA vires? “I call it the lie.†Being a writer I have come to know what it takes to build, and distribute books. For a book to be successful takes a vast amount of wealth. Most servants of Jehovah do not seek wealth, nor have it. Building and distributing large amounts of books are out of their reach. Satan would also know, “Propaganda is the number one weapon it a war.†Gods written word would have to appear to be filled with contradictions…how is this to be done? Build religions, thousands of them. Put these religions in conflict, one with the other. Have the religious leaders teach what is not in this new book, the Bible. Reveal to those who read the book, and listen to the religious leaders understand what is being taught is different than what the book says? “If you are a part of this religion, you will not stay in the grave, but will go straight to heaven, and be with Jesus, who is God.†“If you do not follow Gods written word, you will burn forever in a lake of fire.â€
    Mix truth from the scrolls with a lie. Treat the book as the word from God. Present the book as a Holy Gift from God. How many can read Hebrew, or Greek? Keep the scrolls away from those seeking truth.
    Jehovah God knew what Satan would do, so he has hidden much of his word within the scrolls. These things Satan would not see, or understand, and has blindly put them within his book. Satan is powerful. He is more powerful than all the humans who have ever lived, and are alive today. Jehovah is an uncountable numbers of times more powerful. Those with a good DNA cannot do battle with the spirit world, only God can do this. Within the short history of man, Satan has deceived the whole world into believing it is Jehovah God who is to blame for all the death, and suffering. He has successfully shifted the blame from himself to Jehovah. How often have we heard people say, “Why has a loving God allowed such things?†Are all people who claim to love God truly lovers of Jehovah? It would seem not. I have said many times, in many places, “Religion is not from God Jehovah. It is a tool of Satan the Devil.†I have said this because it has proven to be. Not all who lead the flock are true shepherds of Jehovah God. What I have written below, I leave to you to matched with the scrolls, and judge what is true, and not true as you see it.

    ANCESTRY

    Although Cain was the first born of Eve, he is not mentioned in Adam’s lineage. The fact that Cain is not listed in the lineage of Adam in Genesis 5, 1 Chronicles, nor in the record of genealogy in Luke 4, gives speculation that he was an illegitimate son. (Cain stands alone in his lineage and his genealogy is listed separately.) Firstborn son's name is never omitted from a genealogy, even though the firstborn may have forfeit ted inheritance rights for improper behavior. (1 Chronicles 2:3, Gen 49:3-4)

    Genesis 5:

    1 This is the family history of Adam.3 When Adam was 130 years old, he became the father of another son in his likeness and image, and Adam named him Seth.
    Seth means = replacement. Since Cain was still alive Seth had to be a replacement for Able who was murdered. Question: Why does this scripture say Seth was in Adams likeness, and image?
    6 When Seth was 105 years old, he had a son named Enosh.9 When Enosh was 90 years old, he had a son named Kenan
    12 When Kenan was 70 years old, he had a son named Mahalalel
    15 When Mahalalel was 65 years old, he had a son named Jared.
    18 When Jared was 162 years old, he had a son named Enoch.
    21 When Enoch was 65 years old, he had a son named Methuselah
    25 When Methuselah was 187 years old, he had a son named Lamech
    28 When Lamech was 182, he had a son.29 Lamech named his son Noah
    32 After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham, and Japheth

    I have said, “Jehovah God says more than one thing when he speaks. The list above of the first born also says something else. Read in the order the above firstborn, what the meaning of their names mean:
    The list of names in the order of their births: Genesis 5: Adam, Seth, Enos (Enosh), Cainain (Kenan), Mahalalel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah.
    The meaning of their names in the same order:
    Adam = mankind
    Seth = appointed
    Enos (Enosh) = feeble, frail, mortality
    Cainain (Kenan) = fixed dwelling place
    Mahalalel = god who is praised
    Jared = comes down, descends ( shall come down)
    Enoch = to instruct, train up (teaching)
    Methuselah = a man sent forth
    Lamech = to be beaten, smitten, and tortured
    Noah = to bring rest, a quiet peace



    II Timothy 3:16 says that Every Scripture is God-breathed (given by His inspiration) and profitable for instruction, for reproof and conviction of sin, for correction of error and disciple in obedience,
    Genesis 3:15, matching the scripture to the Hebrew, gives a clear meaning of the word seed =offspring. God is talking to Satan about his offspring, and Eve’s offspring.
    Jesus spoke of two different types of people in
    Adams bloodline

    Cain is not in Adam's bloodline. This author believes in Genesis chapter three that Satan's seed, through Eve, produced Cain and that Adam's seed brought forth Able. They were maternal twins with different fathers. Satan's seed brought Cain's Kenites and Able came through Adam's seed. However, Cain ended Able's bloodline when he murdered him. With proper charting, many can trace your Anglo-Saxon bloodline back to Adam and Eve. Able is excluded because he was murdered before he fathered children. Genesis 4:25-26 KJV suggest Gods people reaches Adam through Seth, the first child in Adam's bloodline to bring forth children:"[25] And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.[26] And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord." Before researching Cain's genealogy, a peek into the manuscripts shows Satan's son (assumed) Cain began the Kajin tribe, a race the bible refers to as the Kenites; Cain in Hebrew is Qayin:Qayin, Hebrew 7014, Strong'sQayin, kah'-yin; the same as Hebrew 7013 (qayin) (with a play upon the affinity to Hebrew 7069 (qanah)); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe :- Cain, Kenite (-s)God is talking to Cain in Genesis 4:11-12 KJV:"[11] And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand.[12] When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth."Sentencing Cain, God includes an indentifying mark, a mark that excludes Cain and his descendents from growing anything from the earth. They cannot be farmers because the earth will not yield her fruit to them. Eve, being their mother and the fact that Kenites cannot grow anything identifies them to you. God continues with Cain's mark in Genesis 4:15 KJV:"And the Lord said unto him, 'Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.' And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him."Satan's son is marked as God sends him to the land of Nod. There he takes a wife from those created on the sixth day, ( these are his sisters). Genesis 4:17 KJV reads:"And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch."Unable to farm, Cain's son is a builder as the Kenite lineage continues in Genesis 4:18-22 KJV:"[18] And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech. [19] And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.[20] And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.[21] And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.[22] And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah."Among Cain's descendants, you find cattlemen, musicians and metalworkers, but not one farmer. In Genesis 4:23-24 KJV, Lamech has killed someone as he references Cain, the first murderer:"[23] And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. [24] If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold." Taking pride in murdering someone, Lamech boasts that his deed is as worthy as Cain's. There can be no doubt about two bloodlines coming through Eve, and 1 Chron. 2:55 KJV offers proof that the Kenites made it through Noah's flood:"And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab."Note that the Kenites, scribes in this verse, attempt to include themselves in the lineage of Judah. They attach themselves to Judah's lineage in the last verse of a chapter that is reserved for Judah. The Kenites did make it through the flood. Including themselves in Judah's bloodline, many live in Jerusalem today. Moving forward to the New Testament, we observe the disciples asking Christ to explain the Parable of the Tares; Matthew 13:36 KJV reads: "Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, 'Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.'"Jesus responds in Matthew 13:37 KJV:"He answered and said unto them, 'He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man.'"Jesus tells them that He is responsible for sowing the good seed. Matthew 13:38 KJV says that with the exception of the tares, His seed produces all the children of the world: "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one. "Satan's seed brought forth the Tares...the Kenites. The devil being Satan, Matthew 13:39 KJV teaches that they began with his seed: "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."
    Jesus explained the parable of Matthew 13:36 in clear plain wording.
    Please note: the word SEED is translated from the Hebrew to English below.
    SEED = OFFSPRING

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    [TD]342 [e]
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    [TD]wə-’ê-ḇāh
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    [TD]וְאֵיבָ֣ה ׀
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    [TD]And enmity
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    [TD]Noun
    [/TD]
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    [TD]7896 [e]
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    [TD]’ā-šîṯ,
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    [TD]אָשִׁ֗ית
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    [TD]I will put
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    [TD]Verb
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    [TD]996 [e]
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    [TD]bê-nə-ḵā
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    [TD]בֵּֽינְךָ֙
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    [TD]Between
    [/TD]
    [TD]Prep
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]996 [e]
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    [TD]ū-ḇên
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    [TD]וּבֵ֣ין
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    [TD]and between
    [/TD]
    [TD]Prep
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]802 [e]
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    [TD]hā-’iÅ¡-Å¡āh,
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    [TD]הָֽאִשָּׁ֔ה
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    [TD]you and the women
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    [TD]Noun
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    [TD]996 [e]
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    [TD]ū-ḇên
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    [TD]וּבֵ֥ין
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    [TD]2233 [e]
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    [TD]zar-‘ă-ḵā
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    [TD]זַרְעֲךָ֖
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    [TD]your offspring
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    [TD]Noun
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    [TD]996 [e]
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    [TD]ū-ḇên
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    [TD]Prep
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    [TD]2233 [e]
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    [TD]zar-‘āh;
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    [TD]זַרְעָ֑הּ
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    [TD]her offspring
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    [TD]Noun
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    [TD]1931 [e]
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    [TD]ה֚וּא
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    [TD]he
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    [TD]Pro
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    [TD]7779 [e]
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    [TD]yə-Å¡ū-p̄ə-ḵā
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    [TD]יְשׁוּפְךָ֣
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    [TD]shall bruise
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    [TD]Verb
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    [TD]7218 [e]
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    [TD]rōÅ¡,
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    [TD]רֹ֔אשׁ
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    [TD]your head
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    [TD]Noun
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    [TD]859 [e]
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    [TD]wə-’at-tāh
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    [TD]וְאַתָּ֖ה
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    [TD]and you
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    [TD]Pro
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    [TD]7779 [e]
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    [TD]tə-Å¡ū-p̄en-nū
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    [TD]תְּשׁוּפֶ֥נּוּ
    [/TD]
    [TD]shall bruise
    [/TD]
    [TD]Verb
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]6119 [e]
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    [TD]‘ā-qêḇ.
    [/TD]
    [TD]עָקֵֽב׃
    [/TD]
    [TD]his heel
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    [TD]Noun
    [/TD]
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    END OF PART ONE;
    I will try to assemble part two within a few days.
     
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    The member who asked I post this, please have the respect to give comment? I am not asking you agree with it, but I did not take the time to put this together for me.
     
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    Thanks for posting, an interesting perspective!

    Do you think that in a sense there are 'three seeds'?

    - Satan and his influence

    (genetics through Cain [perhaps] but primarily a spiritual conception of rebellion from Jehovah's right to rule man)

    - the Levitical system through Israel (legalism, eye for an eye, action-reaction)

    - the true seed, the bride of Christ (freedom in truth through Christ's revelation of the real law, love)

    The symbolic drama in the scriptures primarily deals with the two seeds, Hagar and Sarah. (Galatians 4:24)

    But oft overlooked is the seed of Satan, as you bring out in Genesis 3:15.

    'the spirit of the world' which is Satanic.

    A rebellion from Jehovah and his righteous truthful principles which MUST reign.

    And to this, even Satan cowers like a mouse in the corner. Jesus has conquered Satan.


    I wonder if Satan understands this yet ... ?
     
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    A spiritual conception does not match the word seed which means offspring in Genesis 3:15. Nor does spiritual conception account for Cain being left out of the first born. Does Satan know he has lost? Because he has created human like creatures (using material created by Jehovah) he knows these creatures( the Tares) have his same nature of badness. This are his people. Jesus called them, "You are of your Father the devil." Satan has his people in all positions of power world wide. He is still trying to win. I believe he will attempt to have his human like creatures back in the location of the garden...I have my own idea were that is. Jehovah will never let him do that.
    Here is something to think about: It has been proven dinosaurs were here with man. Why were there no dinosaurs on the arc? Think about this. The bible dates the earth about 6,000 years old. It also dates man about 6,000 years old...were did these dinosaurs come from?
     
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    Is it your contention that our genes decide if we receive eternal life? Are you saying our ancestors passed down to us the possibility to survive into the new kingdom, or not?

    The earth is 6000 years old huh? Well that's interesting, because Jehovah rested on the 7th day, and from what I understand we are still in the 7th day, so your saying the first 6 were different lengths then the 7th?
     
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    Again, basic bible teaching. God finished creating (Eve was the last creation) almost 6,000 years ago. When we reach the 6,000 number, will be the start of Jesus 1,000 year rule. Are you just trying to start trouble with me? Every basic bible teaching I post you either question, or reject. What side of the fence are you on, Gods, or Satan's?
     
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    So you are right and anyone opposed to you is from Satan? lol
     
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    And besides your "holier the thou" attitude, your wrong about the age of the earth. And it's so simple it's staring you in the face and your too stuck in your own ways to see it.

    I will say it again. God rested after creating Eve, which started the 7th day. That 7th day is now 6000 years long, therefore when you say the earth was created 6000 years ago you are saying the other creative days were a different length then the 7th. Surely your not too thick to see that common sense understanding? This understanding is the simplest biblical explanation, without any outside influence. NOTE: (There are some here that believe the creative days were millions of year, I am aware.)

    If there is still 1000 years of Christs rule ahead then it can be determined the 7th day is probably 7000 years long, which means that every creative day was probably 7000 years long. It's not rocket science.

    And again, you have a very high opinion of yourself. When you start to think that if anyone disagrees with you they are from Satan, your saying you have knowledge straight from Jehovah, and everyone here can see right through that...
     
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    I have never said I know who is of Satan's seed? You claim to have truth, you claim to be of the 144,000, you claim to be able to make prophesies...you make many claims, Yet I have seen no prophesies from you that are not already in scripture. Only Jesus says who he will gather as his 144,000...and the truth you claim to teach in not in line with scripture. You reject Giants in the earth, you reject demons, you reject the religion you are part of, you reject anything anybody else says... you are clearly on your own path, and I see no finger of Jehovah supporting any of your claims...I think you are flying solo. When I was leaving the forum, you sent me an email asking me to stay. You said you just wanted peace, yet you attack me on anything I post. You do not say you don't agree, you attempt to slander, and belittle. Your demeanor is Unchristian. You give the airs of holiness. I have seen no holiness come from you. Others can't tell you to screw off without threat of being banned, yet because this is YOUR forum, you can belittle, and slander members that don't kiss up to you.
    I think Jehovah is going to give you a wake up call.
     
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    Who is the women spoken of in Gen 3:15, and how is her seed physical?

    And as well you still haven't answered my question;

    "Is it your contention that our genes decide if we receive eternal life? Are you saying our ancestors passed down to us the possibility to survive into the new kingdom, or not?"
     
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    Since you don't seem to know, I will tell you. The women in Genesis 3:15, is the women Adam named Eve after she had Cain. Jehovah said he would put hate between Satan's off springs, and Adams off springs which both came through the women Eve. The he in this scripture is Jesus. Jehovah put into effect a plane to save the human family from what Satan had done.
    Do our genes decide if we receive eternal life? That question has a two part answer: The Tares, Satan's seed will not have eternal life. As for the rest of the human race, no it has nothing to do with genes. At the end of the 1,000 year rule of Jesus, those who have made a good heart condition for Jehovah and pass the final test, not to follow Satan will be given eternal life. Those who have wasted the 1,000 years, and have not built a heart for Jehovah, and follow Satan, will be cast into everlasting death along with the tares, and Satan.
    From everything you have said on this forum, you believe you are of the 144,000, and you will be a ruler with Jesus over the human family. I tell you the truth. Only Jesus, and Jehovah knows who Jesus will chose as his 144,000. He has told no human who these are. No human can say, "I am of the 144,000." That is a Watch Tower lie. I would assume the nature of whoever these are, are Christ like. They do not believe they are good enough to be of that class. Rather then boast of such a high position, they would be humble, and be of the nature to wash the feet of the lowest of the human race. No man alive knows who the 144,000 are, and those who make claim to count their self in that number are jumping far ahead of Jehovah, and assuming to know their own heart condition...it is written, "Only Jehovah knows the heart." You claim to be a man who knows scripture, and believe it was written to be understood, word for word. Point me to the words in the scripture where Jesus has told anybody they have been chosen to be of the 144,000?
     
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    Thank you, that's a compliment...

    What part exactly? What have I said that is not in line with scripture? You call me out, now present your argument...

    Not so, I reject 20 foot 30 foot giants in the earth, that you claim there were.

    As well I have pointed out the word Nephilim actually means "fallen one", not giant.

    You are mistaken, the demons are the angels that forsook their positions and came to earth to have relations with women.

    I reject your idea that the children they fathered still survived as spirit beings after their human bodies died. That is your personal interpretation without any care for facts at all.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are Gods people just like the Jews were before Jesus.

    The finger of God supporting me? lol I have the Bible, everything is in there that we need...

    And what's that? How do you think Jehovah is going to give me a wake up call???

    Hmmm????
     
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    Dear Domenic,

    I'll give a comment when I have the time for it; this weekend, for sure ! Thank you for your time and efforts. Whether I agree or not is irrelevant, what matters is the efforts you made to write something worth the read. SingleCell seems to like it and I trust his judgment.

    Thanks again!
     
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    I was wrong about you, you wouldn't make a good Mormon, you would have made a good German during the Third Reich!

    To claim that race and genes are a factor of who survives is barbaric, and down right disgusting and against everything Jehovah stands for!

    The women in Gen 3:15 is Jehovah's organization, the same women as in Rev 12, the women is the organizational structure of Jehovah's kingdom that gave birth to Christ himself.

    With your understanding you make it about race! You say all of Adams decedents will be on the side of God, and all of Cains (fathered by Satan) are on the Devils. What nonsense and out right bigotry.

    So you think more responsibility is a "high position"? It just shows what you don't know.
     
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    It has been proven dinosaurs were here with man.... ?

    Cain's offsprings are still among us nowadays despite the fact that eight humans only survived the Flood ?

    The earth is only 6 000 years old ? I had been told that 1975 was the 6 000th birthday of Adam.... Was I lied to ?

    Phew.....! :)
     
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    "Thank you, that's a compliment..."



    "What part exactly? What have I said that is not in line with scripture? You call me out, now present your argument..."
    You make claims that are not true.



    "Not so, I reject 20 foot 30 foot giants in the earth, that you claim there were. "
    You claim all the bones that have been found are a hoax. Are you now saying they are not a hoax if they are shorter than 20 feet?

    "As well I have pointed out the word Nephilim actually means "fallen one", not giant."
    Nephilim also means evil one in Hebrew...those scriptures were written in Hebrew.



    "You are mistaken, the demons are the angels that forsook their positions and came to earth to have relations with women. "
    Those angels are locked away. they are not here. If they are locked away, how can you claim them as the demons?

    "I reject your idea that the children they fathered still survived as spirit beings after their human bodies died. That is your personal interpretation without any care for facts at all."
    They are not the angels who left heaven and took the daughters of men...those angels are locked away. No other angels rebelled, and came to earth...that leave only one source. The angel part of the giants.


    "Jehovah's Witnesses are Gods people just like the Jews were before Jesus."
    The tribe of Judah are still part of Gods people. It is the fake Jews who are not. These are tares, Satan's off springs as Jesus called them.


    "The finger of God supporting me? lol I have the Bible, everything is in there that we need..."
    Anybody can have a bible. Satan knows scripture upside down and backwards. Many people who don't believe in God have a bible. All false religions have a bible...do you think having a bible is going to save anybody?



    "And what's that? How do you think Jehovah is going to give me a wake up call???"
    That is between you, and him.

    "Hmmm????"

    I won't ask you any questions, because I know you will just side-step giving answers, as always.
     
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    In many spots they have human foot prints, and in some spots there are dinosaur prints over the top of the human prints...which means they were both made when those areas were mud.

    Noah was of Adams seed. Was his wife? Noah's wife had sex with her younger son Ham. Ham was the seed that led to Nimrod. if Satan's seed did not get through the flood, Jesus would not have warned about them, the tares.

    7,000 years after the last creation, the earth is to be a paradise . Eve was the last thing Jehovah created. When was that? I have no idea?
    Is the earth 6,000 years old? I'm not sure, but it's not 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, years old. And yeah, the Watch Tower lied. I think you already knew that.
     
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    The Watchtower Society believes the creative days were 7000 years long, and I agree with them.
     
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