You who claim to know the bible are asking me who you claim knows nothing of scripture? They even teach that at the Kingdom Hall. You must be sleeping at meetings, or day dreaming about other things?

JUDE 6 And the angels who did not keep their own position, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains in deepest darkness for the judgment of the great Day. (NRSV)

II PETER 2:4 For indeed God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down in chains of darkness into the low regions and delivered them to be kept for the judgment of torment. (Magiera NT Peshitta translation)

I PETER 3:19 . . . He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. (NKJV)

 

Are you asking because you don't know, and you are asking for a bible study, or just Hopping I will trip, and you can throw stones?

 

Either you don't know scriptures, or you're just trying to throw up a smoke screen. Read my post again, I said the angels who came down and took the daughters of men. You talk like you think people are stupid, and you can hood-wink people? You know just what I said. Nobody on this forum said Satan is locked away, and you know it. Post 157: YOU SAID; "You are mistaken, the demons are the angels that forsook their positions and came to earth to have relations with women. "
I replied: "Those angels are locked away. they are not here. If they are locked away, how can you claim them as the demons?" I expect tares, Satan's off springs to play the game you are playing. The more you post what is in your mind, is showing what side of the fence you are on, and who you are following. I'm surprised the Christians at your kingdom hall haven't seen through you? You sound like the fake Jews Jesus talked to at the temple...you will never change. Your double talk is not from Jehovah.

 

2 Tim 2

16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,†and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.â€

20 In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for special purposes and some for common use. 21 Those who cleanse themselves from the latter will be instruments for special purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.

22 Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

Jude 1
Jude 1:9English Standard Version (ESV)

9 But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.â€

James 4:11 Brothers and sisters, don’t say evil things about each other. Whoever insults or criticizes a brother or sister insults and criticizes the Law. If you find fault with the Law, you are not a doer of the Law but a judge over it.

 

There is a difference between “prison†and “abyss†which are used in the Greek scriptures dealing with Satan and those “disobedient spirits†mentioned by Peter. First the “disobedient spirits†are said “to the spirits now in prison [Phulake = foo-lak-ay']†meaning “guard, watch, to keep watch, persons keeping watch, a guard, sentinels. When Peter mentions that Jesus “preached/proclaimed†to these spirit creatures, it would be similar to a judge visiting a prisoner to announce their sentence being approved for execution. He was letting them know the progress of their sentence.

Apparently these “disobedient spirits†are those who had sexual relations with human females before the flood. (Gen 6:1-4), (1 Pe 3:19-20). The Hebrew word nephiyl=nef-eel' comes from the root word naphal=naw-fal’, meaning “to fall, to cause to fall (of violent death), to fall upon, attack. This word has been mistranslated as giant, or giants, rather than mighty men = warriors. They were warring men who used their inherited powers from their fathers to slay any who they pleased to kill. They were hybrids.

The ““abyssâ€, [abussos = ab'-us-sos] is described as bottomless, unbounded, the immeasurable depth.
It is a compound of a=alpha as a negative particle, and a variation of bathos = the bottom or depth of the sea. I prefer to liken it to a black hole, where nothing can escape it’s internal force. This is where Satan is placed for the thousand year reign of Christ. (Rev 20:3) He is not “preached/proclaimed†to by Jesus. He attempted to go to war with the heavenly forces and lost. (Rev 12:7-8)

Dominic, this discussion is getting out of hand and useless. I will not be participing in any other posts of this type.

 

Satan is a military genius who served close to the throne. He knew very well how Jehovah would respond. Make no mistake, he was the catalyst behind this whole thing.

He hates mankind so much he would have never considered mating with them in the first place.

It appears that he likely used the other angels stupidity and own perverted desires to his advantage in doing his dirty work for him.

 

The book of Enoch tells the tale. The 20 angels made a pack, and led the other 200. They were following Satan's example when he had intercourse with Eve. Satan used the body of one of the angels that was cast down to earth to serve Adam...that is the one who God put on his bell like a snake.

 

...This is getting goofy. Used an angel's body....seriously? I guess angels have fleshly bodies hanging up in their closets like I have suits O,o

 

Yeah, Josh is a man full of hops...

But beware his wrath !

 

After Jehovah created Adam, he commanded the angels to serve man. many refused. Jehovah cast them down to earth in a man like body, but more on the animal side. Satan tempted one of these, "The women thinks you are beautiful. let me use your body, and my words. I will get her to disobey God, and you won't have to serve them." The book of Enoch.

No Enoch is not in the bible, but is part of the scrolls. The book of mickey Mouse, and Donold Duck is not in the bible either. Enoch was used by Christians when Jesus was on Earth. It was the false religious leaders that put the bible together...they left over fifty scrolls out.
The scrolls are inspired by Jehovah...the bible is a copy(sic) of the scrolls built into book form....the book is not inspired by God, only the scrolls.

 

If I Understand your above statement correctly?

Jehovah evicted all the angels who did not serve Adam and Eve. These angels look like half man half beast.

Am I understanding you clearly. Im not being antagonistic, just making sure that im following you. If im correct in my understanding Ill proceed further.

 

As I have shown on this forum, Enoch is in the bible four time as loved by God. God loved him so much, Enoch did not go into the grave when he died, for God took him. I would think the book(scrolls) of Enoch should have been a part of the bible. Enoch tells in detail what took place before the flood. The finger points right to Satan as the bad guy. Jehovah created man in his image, and commanded the angels to serve man. Many refused. Jehovah cast them down to earth, in a physical form. Man like, but more on the side of higher animals. Jehovah gave them the command to serve man, and when they refused, he put them in a position where they would have to. Satan since he cannot create, saw his chance to use two creatures Jehovah had created to form his own, part fallen angel (with seed) and part human. (Eve.) The fallen angels name was Samual. Satan told him, “Let me use your body, and my words, and I will get them to disobey God, and you won’t have to serve them anymore.â€￾ Why would the book of Enoch be left out of the bible if Jehovah loved Enoch so much, he never let him see death? Jehovah did not inspire the book we call the bible. Jehovah inspired the scrolls. Those who claim they copied what is in the scrolls into a book, the bible, left over fifty scrolls out. I am not saying all those fifty left out scrolls were inspired by Jehovah, but I am sure the book of Enoch was inspired.

Here is something to think about...Those who wrote the bible, were they teaching Gods word, or did they teach false doctrines such as HELL FIRE, going to HEAVEN, and not being in the grave ASLEEP? In other words, do you think Jehovah would inspire that type of people to build a book from the scrolls? I do not.

 

...Sounds like Monkey business.

Well, Domenic...do it really matter if anyone believes you regarding this matter? Is it required knowledge that one must know to be saved? If its not....then take the response from others with a grain of salt. Do you think youre the only one whos ideas and perspectives unfavorable or unpopular? Of course not.

From reading several of your threads that you have created since yourve joined the forum, you have a lot to offer. Why not place your focus on things that are faith building and faith strengthening...Dont let a thread about demons get you all bent out of shape. You understand where im coming from?