Genesis 3:15

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    I am only going to speak for myself here, but I approach every single scripture as fact, unless it specifically says it's a metaphor, or clearly leads you to another Scripture almost word for word to show you it is a metaphor. Such as the tree in Dan 4, Daniel clearly says the tree represents Nebuchadnezzar. Otherwise I think each scripture is as literal as it can be. Hence why I believe the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, and the tree of life were physical trees.

    I do this because interpretation is everywhere, and I figure that if I were to write a book I would want someone to take what I say literal unless I specifically say I meant something as a metaphor, and it just so happens that the Bible opens like a bloomin onion...

    Hey you Aussies, is bloomin onions a down under food, or is it only an Outback special here in the US? I've always wondered that...

    I don't believe Jehovah meant the Bible as a work of art, but as a map. There is only one right direction...
     
  2. 1975 was 6000 years from Adam's creation, remember? Besides, was Eve created in the seventh day?

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    Hey brother, your missing something. We want to know when Eve was created. That would tell us when the 7th day began and ends...
     
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    Let me understand what you are saying. You said: "I believe the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, and the tree of life were physical trees."

    Is other other scriptures to support this? If one is real, the other is also real?
     
  5. I'm missing something?
     
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    Well let me rephrase that, I'm not sure what you think on this subject, all I'm saying is I believe the seventh day of rest began after Eve was created.
     
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    Would that not be the simplest of understandings?
     
  8. What scripture leads you to believe that? Adam would be over 6040 years old by now.
     
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    No I don't understand how those trees are real trees. The way you explain it leaves me in the dark how you came to that understanding that they were real trees?
     
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    Exactly, Adam was at least 40 years old before the 7th rest day had begun.

    Gen 2:2 "And by the seventh day, God had completed the work that he had been doing, and he began to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had been doing."

    Eve was the very last creation by God before he rested...
     
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    Because it says so... I have trees in my yard, and they bare many different edible fruits;

    Gen 2:16,17 “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.â€￾


     
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    We are all free to take from either tree in the Garden, even today.
    There were two trees in the center of the Garden: the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, and the tree of life. God said the tree of life would give life. The other, the tree of knowledge of good and bad would give death.
    All the other trees in the bible are symbolic trees. Let’s look again at the two trees in the center of the Garden. Both are very different, yet they are side by side?
    Young people are raised under the rule of parents. When in their teens they start to want to be free of being told what they can, and can’t do.
    Following Gods way is being told what one can, and can’t do. It lacks the freedom teenagers are seeking. Satan offered Adam, and the women the freedom to do what they wanted to do, and not have to do what they were told they had to do. Satan offered them freedom from rules…the same freedom he took for himself. The word freedom is not a good word. It is something that originated with Satan…it is rebellion against being told what to do. Christians often have thoughts which are not good, yet they understand to please Jehovah God, they must walk in Jesus footsteps; to do as he does. That’s not easy, and often very hard. Many bad things are fun, but as many have learned the fun can have bad consequences.
    The two trees offered two very different life styles. One you could do what you wanted to do, the other you had to do what God wanted you to do. Jesus is the symbolic tree of life. Satan is the tree of freedom from Gods rule…deciding what you will do, when, where, and how…freedom from God. People today can still eat from one of those trees...we can't eat from both. Yes some think they can.
     
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    Huh??? Mth 21:19 "He caught sight of a fig tree by the road and went to it, but he found nothing on it except leaves, and he said to it: “Let no fruit come from you ever again.†And the fig tree withered instantly."

    Where do you get the statement that every tree in the Bible is symbolic. I believe it's quite the opposite!

    Zech 3:10 “‘In that day,’ declares Jehovah of armies, ‘Each of you will invite your neighbor to come under your vine and under your fig tree.’â€

    Again I might state that one would be best to take scripture as it is, definitive and literal unless otherwise specifically metaphorical.

    Just sayin...

    Location has some significance?

    What does this have to do with a tree?

    Let me read the scripture again;

    Gen 2:16,17 “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.â€

    That seems pretty clear. Trees produce fruit for consumption, I'm not so sure why this is so complicated. It says a tree, I know what trees are, they grow in my own yard. I have pear trees, I have apricot trees, and acorn trees. I really don't understand the confusion on your part.

    You are mistaken sir, we have no choice now to eat from each of the trees, we have adopted the genetics from our first parents eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. There is no choice in front of me to eat of a tree and live for ever, nor does scripture say so. I must trust in the son of God, and to do his will, you make up some metaphor that I can eat from a metaphoric tree to earn life, that is not in scripture. In order to earn life I must have faith in Christ sacrifice, then prove it by works. You make up something beyond what is stated in scripture.

    The trees were real, according to the Bible.

    Just sayin...
     
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    Jehovah gave Jesus the key to life...I would say Jesus is the tree of life. Why would Jehovah give a tree that power? If it was a real tree, I'm sure Satan would have eaten of it's fruit, than he would never die...Satan is not stupid, he would have eaten it if it was a real fruit.
     
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    That is the second time you threaten me Josh7 because I do not agree with you. Why do you do that?
     
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    What threat?
     
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    Why would you post this if it is not a threat?

     
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    Obviously you've never seen the movie...
     
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    Sir, the proclamation was never given to Satan... Come on now...
     
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