Genesis 3:15

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    Thanks, I even commented on his post.

    By your thinking then, if Adams "sperma" seed is what is meant by the women's seed, then also Satan's seed "sperma" is meant by the women's seed, because you claim the women's seed comes from the male, well so does Satan's (In your theory). That makes all of the children the women's seed in that theoretic scenario. Yet, Gen 3:15 separates the seeds, and never says the seed of Satan ever has anything to do with Eve, but we know Eve mothered everyone living.

    So Basically what your saying is Gen 3:15 is metaphoric when it says the women's seed, and then literal when it says Satan's seed. That seems clear, huh?

    As well, I still haven't gotten an answer, Jehovah never said Adams seed in Gen 3:15, he said the women's. Why didn't he say the mans seed?

    Also why does Gen 3:15 call the seed of the women a "him"?
     
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    I have read the material you provided. Thanks for your time and efforts. I'm sorry but I'm not convinced.

    Personally, I don't see reasons to believe in other things than what's written below (excepted that the woman can also be the Covenant, Gal. 4:26 or Jesus and his Bride, the latter being more in accordance with the excerpt below, Gn 18:18) :

    Genesis 3:14-15

    God established perpetual enmity, not only between the serpent and the woman, but also between the serpent's and the woman's seed, i.e., between the human and the serpent race. The seed of the woman would crush the serpent's head, and the serpent crush the heel of the woman's seed. The meaning, terere, conterere, is thoroughly established by the Chald., Syr., and Rabb. authorities, and we have therefore retained it, in harmony with the word suntri'bein in Rom 16:20, and because it accords better and more easily with all the other passages in which the word occurs, than the rendering inhiare, to regard with enmity, which is obtained from the combination of shuwp with shaa'ap. The verb is construed with a double accusative, the second giving greater precision to the first (vid., Ges. §139, note, and Ewald, §281). The same word is used in connection with both head and heel, to show that on both sides the intention is to destroy the opponent; at the same time, the expressions head and heel denote a majus and minus, or, as Calvin says, superius et inferius. This contrast arises from the nature of the foes. The serpent can only seize the heel of the man, who walks upright; whereas the man can crush the head of the serpent, that crawls in the dust. But this difference is itself the result of the curse pronounced upon the serpent, and its crawling in the dust is a sign that it will be defeated in its conflict with man. However pernicious may be the bite of a serpent in the heel when the poison circulates throughout the body (Gen 49:17), it is not immediately fatal and utterly incurable, like the cursing of a serpent's head.

    But even in this sentence there is an unmistakable allusion to the evil and hostile being concealed behind the serpent. That the human race should triumph over the serpent, was a necessary consequence of the original subjection of the animals to man. When, therefore, God not merely confines the serpent within the limits assigned to the animals, but puts enmity between it and the woman, this in itself points to a higher, spiritual power, which may oppose and attack the human race through the serpent, but will eventually be overcome. Observe, too, that although in the first clause the seed of the serpent is opposed to the seed of the woman, in the second it is not over the seed of the serpent but over the serpent itself that the victory is said to be gained. It, i.e., the seed of the woman will crush thy head, and thou (not thy seed) wilt crush its heel. Thus the seed of the serpent is hidden behind the unity of the serpent, or rather of the foe who, through the serpent, has done such injury to man.

    This foe is Satan, who incessantly opposes the seed of the woman and bruises its heel, but is eventually to be trodden under its feet. It does not follow from this, however, apart from other considerations, that by the seed of the woman we are to understand one solitary person, one individual only. As the woman is the mother of all living (v. 20), her seed, to which the victory over the serpent and its seed is promised, must be the human race. But if a direct and exclusive reference to Christ appears to be exegetically untenable, the allusion in the word to Christ is by no means precluded in consequence. In itself the idea of zera', the seed, is an indefinite one, since the posterity of a man may consist of a whole tribe or of one son only (Gen 4:25; 21:12-13), and on the other hand, an entire tribe may be reduced to one single descendant and become extinct in him. The question, therefore, who is to be understood by the "seed" which is to crush the serpent's head, can only be answered from the history of the human race.

    But a point of much greater importance comes into consideration here. Against the natural serpent the conflict may be carried on by the whole human race, by all who are born of a woman, but not against Satan. As he is a fore who can only be met with spiritual weapons, none can encounter him successfully but such as possess and make use of spiritual arms. Hence the idea of the "seed" is modified by the nature of the foe. If we look at the natural development of the human race, Eve bore three sons, but only one of them, viz., Seth, was really the seed by whom the human family was preserved through the flood and perpetuated in Noah: so, again, of the three sons of Noah, Shem, the blessed of Jehovah, from whom Abraham descended, was the only one in whose seed all nations were to be blessed, and that not through Ishmael, but through Isaac alone. Through these constantly repeated acts of divine selection, which were not arbitrary exclusions, but were rendered necessary by differences in the spiritual condition of the individuals concerned, the "seed," to which the victory over Satan was promised, was spiritually or ethically determined, and ceased to be co-extensive with physical descent.

    This spiritual seed culminated in Christ, in whom the Adamitic family terminated, henceforward to be renewed by Christ as the second Adam, and restored by Him to its original exaltation and likeness to God. In this sense Christ is the seed of the woman, who tramples Satan under His feet, not as an individual, but as the head both of the posterity of the woman which kept the promise and maintained the conflict with the old serpent before His advent, and also of all those who are gathered out of all nations, are united to Him by faith, and formed into one body of which He is the head (Rom 16:20). On the other hand, all who have not regarded and preserved the promise, have fallen into the power of the old serpent, and are to be regarded as the seed of the serpent, whose head will be trodden under foot (Matt 23:33; John 8:44; 1 John 3:8). If then the promise culminates in Christ, the fact that the victory over the serpent is promised to the posterity of the woman, not of the man, acquires this deeper significance, that as it was through the woman that the craft of the devil brought sin and death into the world, so it is also through the woman that the grace of God will give to the fallen human race the conqueror of sin, of death, and of the devil. And even if the words had reference first of all to the fact that the woman had been led astray by the serpent, yet in the fact that the destroyer of the serpent was born of a woman (without a human father) they were fulfilled in a way which showed that the promise must have proceeded from that Being, who secured its fulfilment not only in its essential force, but even in its apparently casual form.

    (from Keil and Delitzsch Commentary on the Old Testament: New Updated Edition,
    Electronic Database. Copyright © 1996 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc. All rights reserved.)


    Excepted the stupid part with the snake being originally upright (surely a monkey business from the literalists once again :p), the rest of the explanations are in accordance with the Bible and biblical common sense :

    Genesis 3:14-15

    The serpent (vv. 14-15). God pronounced sentence first on the serpent and then on the devil who had used the serpent. It seems that the creature Satan used was originally upright, because God humiliated it by putting it into the dust (Ps 72:9; Isa 49:23; Mic 7:17). While God did curse the serpent and the ground (Gen 3:17), He never cursed Adam and Eve.

    God's words to Satan (v. 15) are called the protevangelium, "the first Gospel," because this is the first announcement of the coming Redeemer found in the Bible. To God's Old Covenant people, this verse was a beacon of hope (Gal 4:1-4); to Satan, it was God's declaration of war, climaxing in his condemnation (Rom 16:20); and to Eve, it was the assurance that she was forgiven and that God would use a woman to bring the Redeemer into the world (1 Tim 2:13-15).

    The offspring ("seed") of the serpent and of the woman represent Satan's family and God's family. In the Parable of the Tares (Matt 13:24-30,36-43), Jesus states clearly that Satan has "children," people who profess to be true believers but who are actually counterfeits. The parable reveals that wherever God "plants" a true child of the kingdom, Satan comes along and plants a counterfeit. The two grow together and won't be separated until the harvest at the end of the age.

    These are people who reject Jesus Christ and confidently depend on their own religious self-righteousness to get them into heaven. The Pharisees were "children of the devil" according to John the Baptist (Matt 3:7-10) and Jesus (12:34; 23:15,28,33; John 8:44). There's no record that Jesus ever called the publicans and sinners "children of the devil"; He reserved that title for the self-righteous Pharisees who crucified Him.

    So, throughout history, there has been a conflict between Satan and God, Satan's children and God's children. As we'll discover in our next study, the battle continued with Cain murdering Abel, for Cain was "of that wicked one" (1 John 3:12), that is, a child of the devil. During Jewish history, the enemies of the true prophets were the false prophets who spoke in the name of Jehovah.

    Both Jesus and Paul pictured false teachers as pretenders, "wolves in sheep's clothing" (Matt 7:13-15; Acts 20:28-31). Satan the counterfeiter has always had his children ready to oppose the people of God. At the end of the age, it will culminate in Christ versus Antichrist, Satan's counterfeit masterpiece (2 Thes. Rev 13). At the cross, Satan "bruised" Christ's heel; but because of His death and resurrection, Christ crushed Satan's head and won a complete victory over him (Eph 1:17-23; Col 2:14-15).



    (from The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament
    © 2001-2004 by Warren W. Wiersbe. All rights reserved.)

     
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    I read your post, and it has what sounds like truth, but in fact, parts are in error.

    The children of Satan are not just people who follow in the ways of Satan, but are his real physical children. He mixed his sperm with a human egg, and produced Cain. The angels who came to earth, took the daughters of man did the same thing, they mixed their sperm with the eggs of human women...this put a different kind of DNA into the human family. I believe we all have some of that DNA. Some people have more than others. These are the Tares.
    The He in Genesis 3:15 is Jesus. To fully understand Genesis 3:15 we must examine two other scriptures, Genesis 4, and 5. In 4 "Adam knew(sex) his wife, and she bore Cain". It sound like Cain is Adams first born. There is nothing there that says he is not. Genesis 5; This is the history of Adam. Adam lived for 130 years and had a son, Seth. The word Seth means, "Replacement." for? Adam lost one son,Able who was murdered by his brother Cain. We can assume Seth is a replacement for Able. The scripture goes on, In his(Adams) image? Why does it have to say in his image? What other image would Seth be in? Why does it say that? It does not say Cain was in his (Adams) image? None of the other sons born to men in the scriptures say, "In his image?" Genesis 5 also points to something missing, Cain is not listed as Adams son. All the other first born in the scriptures are listed, even if they were bad?
    Can a women have two children in her belly from two different fathers at the same time? Yes, it is a medical fact. It has happened many times in our life time. But all this does not prove Cain is a physical son of Satan? If we believe in Scripture, we believe the angels who came to earth, took the daughters of men, and had children by them, the ones we call, "The Nephilim." Is there more proof the angels came to earth and had children with human women than Satan having a child physical child (Cain) with Eve? If we can't accept Satan had a physical child with Eve, how can we accept angels came to earth and had physical children with human women, the nephilim?
    This brings up a strange question: "Why did Jesus have to die to save the human family from eating a fruit? Let me change that to what most people believe; "Why did Jesus have to die to save the human family from two people who disobeyed Jehovah?" We have all heard this question, "Dead for three days is not real dead." After all, if Jehovah said to anyone of us, "I want you to be dead for three days, and then I'll bring you back to life." Sure, no big deal. Jesus said he came here to die. I would think something big took place in that death, and it had to take up to three days?

    What happens to a mans body when he dies? Everything shuts down, never to work again. The last thing in a mans body to die, is his sperm. Medical fact. it takes up to three days for a mans sperm to die, after the man dies. Jesus was a perfect man. His seed was perfect.
    Jesus seed could have given birth to billions of perfect humans. Does anybody think maybe, that perfect un-born human race was given for this one?
     
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    So honestly, can you help me understand something? I really do want to see how you justify a couple things.

    Now Gen 3:15 "And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring."

    The word translated here as offspring is #H2233, זֶרַע zera` {zeh'-rah}, and here are it's definitions;

    1) seed, sowing, offspring
    1a) a sowing
    1b) seed
    1c) semen virile
    1d) offspring, descendants, posterity, children
    1e) of moral quality
    1e1) a practitioner of righteousness (fig.)
    1f) sowing time (by meton)

    Now this information was taken from Hebrew Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) and here are the occurrences in scripture; seed 221, child 2, carnally H7902 2, carnally 1, fruitful 1, seedtime 1, sowing time 1; 229.

    Now you have said that you believe that Gen 3:15 is telling you that it says "sperm" of Satan, but it seems that your saying, when the same exact word is used for the women, it does not mean sperm. Now you've said "genes", "egg", but those definitions aren't available for the word zeh'-rah, and besides, would the same exact word in the same sentence used twice have two different meanings?

    Also, would not the women pass her "genes", "eggs", whatever to every child, making every child her offspring, if it was to mean semen?
     
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    Every child that comes out of a women is her off spring. That does not mean they have the same father. Cain was Satan's son. Cain's mother was Eve. Able was Adams son, Able's mother was Eve. Two very different lines of seed.

    The phrase fruit of the tree is Hebrew word # 6529 periy- fruit, in a wide sense: a) fruit, produce (of the ground), or b) fruit, offspring, children, progeny ( used of the womb), or figuratively c) fruit (of actions). The phrase eat of it is Hebrew word #398; 'akal (aw-kal'); This word has many uses, among which, one use means to lay with a woman (which is a sexual act) touch is Hebrew word # 5060; naga` (naw-gah'); Properly, to touch, ie: to lay the hand upon (for any purpose); euphemism for: to lie with a woman.

    Much is lost in a translation from Hebrew to English. In English we have one word for love. In Hebrew there are four words for love, all have a different meaning. To understand scripture, one has to learn what words were used in Hebrew, and Greek.

    Eve had two children, Cain, and Able. These two male children had two different seed of their own. Both children came via Eve's womb. Eve does not have seed, but her womb brought forth seed in the form of male off springs. These two different seed would have hate, one for the other. The wheat and the tares.
     
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    So then your okay with the word offspring in Gen 3:15 having two different meanings, one to Satan's sperm, and one to the women's egg?

    And as well your okay excepting that Gen 3:15 separates the women's seed from Satan's seed even though they would all be her offspring?
     
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    Yes.

    Eve had two children, Cain, and Able. These two male children had two different seed (from their fathers) of their own. Both children came via Eve's womb. Eve does not have seed, but her womb brought forth seed in the form of male off springs. These two different seed would have hate, one for the other. The wheat and the tares.
     
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    But the scripture says "women's seed" not mans... Right?
     
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    As I have stated before, the English word seed in Genesis 3:15 is not from a Hebrew word, it is from a Greek word which has two meanings from the Greek word," Sperma", which means , Sperm ,and, or Off spring.
    This shows it is not a spiritual follower, or one who acts like.
     
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    Regardless of which definition of the word you use, my question is this; You say the word means sperm when used in gen 3:15, so therefore it says "women's sperm", it does not say mans sperm, it says women's sperm. Correct?
     
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    This is what I said:

    "As I have stated before, the English word seed in Genesis 3:15 is not from a Hebrew word, it is from a Greek word which has two meanings from the Greek word," Sperma", which means , Sperm ,and, or Off spring.
    This shows it is not a spiritual follower, or one who acts like."

    So what is the point you are trying to make?
     
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    Your not explaining what you believe well enough, that's what I'm trying to figure out.

    Then if that's the case then you believe the word means "sperma" when talking about Satan and it means "offspring" when talking about Eve? Is that what your saying? I just want to know what it is you are saying...
     
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    Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I will say it this last time:

    The word seed in Genesis 3:15 is a Greek word. It means SPERM. The word SPERM in Greek translates into off spring. Off spring is a child that grows into an adult.
    The scripture is saying; "I will put hate between your child, (Satan's) and her child. (Adams.)

    If you do not understand this, please refer to The Greek word for seed, or go on believing whatever you want?
     
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    Number one, the word zeh'-rah is a Hebrew word, and I don't care how it was translated into Greek, all that matters is what the original Hebrew meant.

    With that said, you finally came out and said what you believe. You believe Gen 3:15 says God would put enmity between Stan's child, and the women's child (Adams). Now that wasn't so hard was it, to just come out and say it?

    It's the most ridiculous, twisting of scripture, no lack or regard for the integrity of the Bible I've ever seen, but hey, it's what you believe.
     
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    “The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.†- Mark Twain

    To set Dominic straight, the word for seed at Gen 3:15 is not derived from Greek. It is Hebrew! It is also Aramaic. It comes from the primitive root word Zara. In this instance, it is Zera`, pronounced zeh'-rah. It is used in several ways, depending on the context, to indicate:
    1. seed, sowing, offspring
    a. a sowing
    b. seed
    c. semen virile
    d. offspring, descendants, posterity, children
    e. of moral quality
    1. a practitioner of righteousness (fig.)
    f. sowing time (by meton)

    At this point in the incident that occurred, Jehovah is speaking to the serpent. Well, was it really the serpent? Of course not! He was speaking to Satan, the deceiver, the “original serpentâ€. (Rev 12:9, 14-15; 20:2) Jehovah was speaking of moral qualities and genetics.

    When it says, “He shall bruise you in the head.†Jehovah is not speaking of some offspring of man. He is speaking of the chosen one, namely Jesus.

    There is an old idiom that states; “Give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves.â€

    Dominic. I originally welcomed you “On boardâ€. I believe it’s time for you to get off. Your line of thinking is becoming detrimental to those here. I believe Dominic, you have reached that point. It is time for the administrators to cut you loose and let you fall into the quagmire you have created.

    I will not respond to any of your replies, or waste my time and energy debating you about words and phrases. (1 Tim 6:4)
     
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    Well it has taken you a long time to understand what I have said many times on this forum..."The scriptures were inspired of Jehovah God, and the bible is a poor copy made by men, not inspired of Jehovah God."

    Your man made, not inspired book you call the bible is not from Jehovah God. Genesis 3:15 in the scrolls uses a Greek word for seed...SPERMA. The scriptures warn, "Satan has deceived the whole world." His number one tool? The man made not inspired book called the bible, used by religions which are all false, and a tool of Satan.

    Is what I believe clear now?

    I have always understood what you are saying. You believe in the poor man made copy of the scrolls called the bible, and you also understand you are in a false religion, and somehow feel Gods command to, "Get out of her my people." is a command you don't have to obey because you have your own plans."

    It is clear we are not on the same page. One of us is dead wrong. When we stand in front of the boss, he will know who is right, and who is wrong. No story in the world will help the one who is wrong...Jehovah reads the truth from the heart. One of us has heard the truth from the other. The person who is wrong can't say to the boss, "I never heard that?" The other will be a witness, and say, "Yes you did. I told you."
     
  18. Hello Joshua and Domenic:

    It is not only possible but it has happened throughout time that women have gotten pregnant twice, but not at the same intercourse and not by the same Father. This could be with the same Father or different Fathers.

    Don't know if this is how it happened, but just for the sake of your discussion Eve gets bonked by Satan in a human body (we know that angels did do this and since Satan is the Father of the lie, then he is probably the Father of this type of cross species intercourse too) and Eve gets pregnant. Next, in an hour, a day, a week or longer her ovaries pop out another ovum (this can and does happen but is not the normal process) and Adam has intercourse with his wife after Eve shows him what she has learned from Satan, she gets pregnant again a second time and the fertilized egg implants in the womb along with the other previously implanted ovum.

    Remember, at this time Adam and especially Eve are extremely inexperienced when it comes to sexual intercourse and pregnancy. If Adam didn't know that Eve had intercourse with Satan he would have accepted that Cain was his Son until informed otherwise (by Jehovah, or Eve's confession). Then a day, a week, a month or more, Abel is born. It's called "hereropaternal superfundication". Another thing to consider is that Eve did not have any commands against sexual intercourse at this time. If she did have sexual intercourse with Satan as a human, it was not a sin for her, technically she was not officially one with Adam as they had not consummated their marriage yet. But it was a big sin for Satan as he was leaving his proper dwelling place as is written in Jude 6. This was Adultery for Satan. Like a form of bestiality.

    It is conceivable that Cain and Abel were "twins" just not in the normal sense. They would be fraternal twins if this is how they were conceived. The letter of Philip, which was not written by Philip but mentions him in it's content (I guess that is why they call it the letter of Philip) is a letter written during the early centuries of Christianity and it is written in highly symbolic language and is difficult to understand but can be understood with diligence. In the letter of Philip we are informed (perhaps by early Christians) that in the garden of Eden, "first came adultery, then came murder."
    I know it is not the Bible, so I don't need that lecture. I am just presenting it to show that it may be an understanding that early Christians had.

    Satan, was jealous of Adam. Before Adam was created, Satan was in charge of Man (pre-Adamic) man who were made by the Angels with Jehovah's guidance ("let us make man") (Genesis 1:26) in "our image and likeness" ( of the angels). After Adam's creation when he was not made by "us" but directly by Jehovah ( Genesis 1:27) (he was made as a direct Son of God and not as a son of a Son of God like the pre-Adamics were). So, Adam was now in charge of all the earth by a commission given him directly from God. This ignites Satan's jealousy, so he comes up with a plan to regain his power and influence over not just pre-Adamic mankind but Adamic mankind as well, and the angels.

    First he has to make Eve sin (I will state the reason why later), he does this by getting Eve to violate the law of taking and eating of the fruit of the tree of Good and Bad. Eve was deceived by Satan as Satan has been around for a long time and Eve was so very inexperienced and bound to be fooled. She did sin in defying Jehovah, and her husband Adam, but it was a fleshly sin and not a sin of the Spirit because she was deceived. A sin of the Spirit must be a sin of knowing that it is wrong, and a sin. Yes, Domenic I think this was a literal tree.

    After he get's Eve to sin, Jehovah immediately puts things in motion for mankind's salvation (he knows and does not "choose to not know", which is silly, that Adam will sin as well because he knows that his (Adams) love for Eve will surmount his love for Jehovah). Satan, who can be either on earth as a human or in the heavens as an angel (the heavens were not locked yet from the angels that took human bodies and perhaps Satan himself never received that penalty so that he could continue his opposition Jehovah and Jehovah may have allowed this). So, Satan was no doubt there when Jesus stepped forward in a fulfillment of Isaiah when he said "Here I am send me," to Jehovah in the heavens, making the Covenant to save mankind. At that point Satan would have formed his counter intelligence plan to try and disrupt the line of the Messiah. He would have wanted to disrupt this plan right in the beginning. So, after he get's Eve to sin, he seduces her, has intercourse with her and impregnates her with his "seed" Cain who will facilitate his plan to disrupt the line of the Messiah.

    The prophecy in Genesis 3:15, like many other prophecies in the Bible has multiple meanings and multiple fulfillment's. In regard to human "seed", the literal seed of Satan (Cain) would be at enmity with Adam's literal seed, which started with Abel and was continued on by Seth (Jesus though had "purchased" this line by his promise to give his lives (both angelic and human) to redeem mankind, that is why he is our everlasting Father and not Adam, he purchased Adam's human and angelic or "born again" firstborn rights by making the Covenant to redeem mankind. This Covenant was fulfilled when Jesus died in sacrifice on Nisan 14, 33CE.

    The symbolic meaning would be the "spiritual seed". This would be Jesus and all those that remained faithful to him, both angelic beings and humans, and Satan and all those that would become and remain faithful to him, both angelic and human. Satan not only Fathers angels by their unfaithfulness to Jehovah in imitation of Satan but he does the same thing with humans. When Satan gets a person to follow his system of things, it is though they are "Satan's seed" but in an evil way as Christ's followers can also be "Jesus seed". The same thing occurs with those who are adopted from being human "seed" to being angelic seed (new creation). After a person shows faith in Jesus and is Baptized into an approved "ecclesia or church" they can later be "born again" or adopted as "Sons of God", some of these sons of God are "chosen" to be a part of Jesus Bride and a member of the 144,000. So, many more than 144,000 can become "born again" than are chosen to be a part of Jesus Bride.

    So, Satan has a physical seed, those that follow him through his lack of faith, and those that he picks to be his "born again" in an evil way ones along with unfaithful angels who have followed him (some who are in Tartarus or Gehenna, as per Jude 6). These humans will be the ones who will be given powers in the end times, some of them will be anointed ones who have lost faith and become apostate to their heavenly adoption. Jehovah allows Satan to have a level playing field. If Jesus has "born again" ones then Satan can have them, it's only fair, if not, he would say that Jesus had an advantage and Jehovah was holding something back in an advantage like he did with his argument in Job.

    So, this is a battle on all fronts and Genesis 3:15 has multiple fulfillments. Satan's seed through Cain has always been at enmity with Adam's seed (taken over by Jesus due to his covenant made with Jehovah to redeem mankind, made at the time of the Garden of Eden, it is what we call the Angelic Ransom Covenant or ARC which is the superior covenant to the New Covenant that Jesus made with his chosen Bride members at each Passover Memorial Celebration). Angels who have remained faithful to Jehovah and Jesus, the Archangel that he was, and Satan and his angel followers are also at enmity with each other culminating in the battle described in Revelation 12 and later at Armageddon before Satan and his demons are abyssed. Then there are those who are "born again" both by God and by Satan himself. These are also at enmity with each other. This enmity will come to a head during the final part of this system of things that is closing in on us quickly. Satan's born again sons will do battle with the remnant of Christ's bride on earth and all those who are "born again" Sons of God who are not part of that bride. Satan will try to exterminate the whole lot, but he will fail. He will bruise them in the heal, but they will bruise him in the head.

    This happens in all the cases mentioned above. Jesus as a human bruised in the heal, Satan as a human (after he has been cast down to earth as a human once again after the fulfillment of Revelation 12) will be bruised in the head at Armageddon. Human seed of Adam (Jesus, who bought us) will be bruised in the heal (we die temporarily) but Satan's human seed will be bruised in the head when they die at Armageddon.

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    I have long hesitated this afternoon to post or not stuff (well, you all know I can and already did oftentimes) about Greek/Hebrew etymology of the words in question, sperma/not sperma bla bla bla but I just decided to post a general synthesis of Genesis 3:15 because it would have been more useful to others than to the official addressee of the post to read it. You can't broach details about the moon when the people you talk with are shortsighted to the point of seeing your finger only..
     
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    I knew it, I knew it ! lol

    I knew you'd buy Domenic's hooey ! That's the kind of stuff you're partial to...... ;)
     
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