We often hear about the hopes and exciting expectations from those who have the earthly hope. We rarely hear about the hopes and exciting expectations of those who have the Heavenly Hope. I guess because of the fear of being perceived as arrogant or haughty, I dont know. If you are anointed can you please share with us what are some things you look forward to doing when you get to heaven? What do you look forward to being able to do? What are your thoughts about the glorified bodies you will have? I would really like to know what is it about heavenly life that excites you the most. Josh, I know youre an anointed brother. Forgive me if my question is inappropriate, but i would love to hear from you, big bro.
Hi Gabriel, You are the first person who ask about the heavenly hope during all my 10 years I have had this calling. So I am just happy to share with this kind of information. When I realized I got this calling I thought many would be curious about it, but surprisingly nobody until now have asked me anything about it. Some maybe feel uneasy to ask because of different reasons or they doubt that I am really anointed and because of that feel it pointless to ask anything. I think I have understood which kind of people get the anointing according to the scriptures. That could be something interesting if you have an interest in anointing. Well, you ask what kind of exciting expectations we have about heavenly life? Well, when I first got this call to heaven, I just simply felt Jehovah God's fatherly presence as from the side slightly behind in a vision as if I would be in heaven. And the surrounding was as inside a grey cloudy space. At that moment in the vision or you can call it a dream, but I was not asleep, I was actually standing and keeping my eyes closed. I felt as if my feet lifted up from the floor and I came to God's presence and looked down to a green lush earth that transformed to a grey one. There disappeared my hope of living in a paradise. From that moment I lost my desire to live forever on earth. And I have never since then looked forward to live in paradise on earth. So simply, I just lost my desire to live an earthly life forever. And that without any exciting expectations about heavenly life. l took God's call and election just like a thing determined by God and I go willingly where He wants to take me. Provided I please Him all the way to the end. After the anointing I've got in constant difficulties, so I have not been focused on how exciting the heavenly life will be. I have mostly been fighting in my daily life for survival. And I am aware of the fact that Satan is especially targeting the elected, and that's how I have felt it. But I feel as having the heavenly call I am very privileged and rich, if I finally get up there. Think about rich people now, they might have private jets, but as a spirit creature you will be faster then any of them. Such a gloryfied body is priceless. So what a richness to get a spirit body, uncomparably more valuable than any jet or spacerocket. After realizing that, all my envy for rich people disappeared. But I am not thinking about such things much, it could easily lead to pride, and let's say God would reward us anointed with slightly different spiritual bodies, some stronger and some weaker . We could start to want to be the most prominent among the 144000. That would be sinful thinking, probably leading to disqualification. Therefore what I expect of life in the heavenly dimention is mostly a wish to serve Jesus and Jehovah and get their tender love and help the mankind to enjoy life on earth. Jesus told in one parable that the approved slaves would get cities to take care of. Those who where more productive serving here on earth would get more cities to take care of. Yes I have a strong desire to make my part to transform earth to paradise. To make all animals happy and likewise make kind people enjoy life. Teach them how to be perfect. And as a result get a perfect life. So at this moment it is mostly that what I expect of getting to heaven or if you call it the heavenly dimention, which will include the nearness to earth. Maybe we will frequently materialize and instruct people like angels did in the past?
um I don't like to talk about this here because it always sets the hens to crackling but the little glimpse you got and then the gray well. been their done that and asked questions. got answer from inspiration that could be from holy spirit. the gray means Jehovah has not yet decided or rather you have still time to ask for a special job you can ask you know! and yes most defiantly you will be coming and going from their to here. a little birdie told me so! and my uh dream were I died and was gone from earth for 20 minutes. I got a pretty good tour of upstairs and that nasty hole full of fire that we Jehovah's witnesses don't discuss! for the sake of the crowd I won't describe anything. but if you want details feel free to email me or Facebook me. I have stories to tell of my uh dream while I uhh hallucinated I was dead. from dope..
Hey there brother, greetings to you... I don't mind the question, if you are curious about something ask, there are no secrets between us, Jehovah's holy spirit should be displayed in the open, not in hiding. In order to answer your question, I must give a little back ground into my experience. I can't speak for others whether this person or that person was chosen to be sealed as first sheep, I can only speak from my own experience. Others whether they have deceived themselves or are chosen for some purpose I do not know. I came across Robert's work in 08 while searching once again how the heaven high tree of Daniel was to represent Jerusalem. I always loved prophecy, but this one connection over the years I just couldn't find. Upon discovering that in fact I was searching in vein, I began to read in earnest Roberts work. After a while I started to discover that Robert had begun to slip away from chronology at one point in his understanding, and that is where my work began. To be specific that was Dan 11:30 and 12:11. One day I was reading the book of Zechariah chapter 3, and I started to recognize what the stone that was placed before Joshua actually was, and at that point I begun to feel Jehovahs spirit in more then normal portion. You know those moments there is a beautiful day, you see a bird and the sun is shining just right and you feel that rush of spirit? It's a bit like that except its coming directly from Jehovah and you know his attention is to you. Right away I brushed it off and purposefully stopped and interfered with that experience. Number one because I am a very rational man and I never ever want to decieve myself, and I am a student of the mind as well, and our minds can play many tricks on us. Then as soon as I turned away from that feeling it came upon me even stronger, and the desire to go to heaven was in this spirit, again I said no, "even out loud", again I brushed off this spirit. You see, I have never wanted to go to heaven, I have enjoyed this universe. I looked forward to creating technology in the future that would be beyond what we understand now, so at that moment I did not want what I was experiencing. Then again a rush of spirit from Jehovah came over me, at which point again I brushed it off and said no! Imedeatly I began to question in my own mind what was most important to me. My desire was actually to serve Jehovah and to do his will, then I thought, was my desire to live on earth more important then what Jehovah wanted from me? You see, since doing his will was more important to me then my own desire I decided I had to let go of what I wanted more the anything in my life in order to do his will. I had to let go of what I most desired in order to do Jehovah's will, for it was his will that I do his work in the way he wished me too, and it was at that moment I was flooded with holy spirit. I would like to say I enjoyed the moment and that I felt close to Jehovah, but in fact I mourned the loss of my earthly life. As Jehovah sealed me for his will I cried for the loss of what I most wanted, you see, it wasn't my will to go to heaven, I never wanted that, but I understood responsibility. I excepted my fate because I wanted to do his will over my own. From that very moment after I saw the world from different eyes. Even though I love this universe and planet just as Jesus does, I've never felt like I was going to continue here on earth from that day foreword, theres never been a moment of doubt that my place would be in heaven. I think that is just part of the experience, it changes your outlook on your understanding of life after this system, and it's beyond your control. So you see brother, I don't see my future as a privilege over others, it is a responsibility, a responsibility to do his will. I have a work to do now, and I know I am going to die doing his will in this world but, I also know he is with me. You see, when i had an earthly hope I thought there was a chance I would never have to die, and now I know I will die doing his will. I know that I will have a work in the time of the end and as well in heaven of assistaning mankind to come to perfection, and to serve Christ Jesus and our Lord Jehovah in the manner that I am capable, for this is the reason I was chosen. There is no desire to be above anyone, or to lord it over anyone, there is just the added responsibility and to put away my own desires in order to do what Jehovah requests of me. With that said, there are times I think about what my experiences might be after the 1000 years. It's often when I see an image online of photoshopped planets from some other galaxies. I see myself standing on these other worlds and admiring Gods creation. I see myself walking among other life forms and guiding them in the instruction of Jehovah. I see coming back to earth regularly in order to eat with you and to enjoy wine with you. Do you remember what Jesus said to his disciples at their last meal? He said he would not eat the meal with them again until the new kingdom, which meant that Jesus would materialize again in the flesh in the new world along with his brothers to enjoy this planet again. I am not deserving of anyone's admiration, nor do I want it. Do not be concerned for my feelings on this matter, you have just as much right to know what happened as I do. I am simply a slave of God, a slave of you. I am the last, the least. You see, there is a reason Jehovah chooses the least of his slaves, it is to put to shame those who think they are the most. I am a sinner and have come from sin, and in the future Jehovah will put to shame those on 1Kings drive for thinking they are already ruling. It is at that time the least will become first. The last hour workers will gain their wages for their work, and Jehovah's kingdom will final come to be. Holy spirit be with you brother, I need you in the work of the Lord. We will be a team in the time of the end, I believe this to be true. Stick around, I hope you don't mind sharing in that responsibility of God as well, there will be plenty to do!
Hi Joshua, I appreciate to hear your experience. Interesting to hear how God convinced you about your anointing by increasing the flow of holy spirit on you when you did not accept the anointing at once. I had similar experiences. But what is the stone in Zechariah?
Hi Joshua, you said: You see, when i had an earthly hope I thought there was a chance I would never have to die, and now I know I will die doing his will. Are you really sure you have to die? Isn't there a possibility to be gathered to heaven without dieing? Jesus did not say that the wise virgins had to die. Instead they would live until Jesus comes back and gathers them to heaven. But of course some will die in the persecusions, but not everybody.
Agreed, I know.., but that statement comes down to belief more then fact. I usually try not to talk about something that is personal interpretation or guesses, and I let a couple of those slip out in that post. One being this question you just asked, and that of the stone before Joshua. There will be some who have responsibility in the time of the end that will put them in front of the 8th king and will bring physical death to them, but of course there will be many others who will not taste death but will be gathered when Christ comes in the clouds, so it was just a personal feeling of what I think my work will be in the time of the end that leads me to the statement that I made. Rev 6:11 "And a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they had been." Now, as to the other personal interpretation I made about the Joshua stone. Even though I could sit here and write every connection and scripture I can think about Zechariah 3, the final interpretation can only be uncovered by Jehovah in that subject but, you can imagine how special that book is to me, one only needs to see my name on here, and the signature at the bottom of every post and pic I use to determine that, and as well the moment I was anointed was squarely connected to that chapter, but with that said I will just come out with my guess and share it since I can't remember if I have on the forum before. I believe this is the stone with seven eyes; {2300 Starts} Watchtower News Reports: Rosh Hashanah | {965 Days Pass} | {1260, 1290, 1335 Starts} Watchtower Goes Down: | {777 Days Pass} | {1742nd Day} Call to Rebuild Jerusalem: | {108 Days Pass} | {1850th Day} Anglo-America Collapses: Sukkot | {375 Days Pass} | {1260 Ends} Jesus Enthroned: Yom Kippur | {30 Days Pass} | {1290 Ends} Disgusting Thing Placed: | {45 Days Pass} | {2300[SUP]th[/SUP], 1335[SUP]th [/SUP]Day} New World: Hanukkah Now, however this stone hasn't been engraved yet. Zech 3:9 "See the stone that I have set before Joshua! On the one stone are seven eyes; and I am engraving an inscription on it,’ declares Jehovah of armies, ‘and I will take away the guilt of that land in one day." The engraving would be the dates the events will be fulfilled, and only Jehovah can inscribe it. The moment the first news reports about errors of the WTS came to light in the news, that would kick off the final 2300 days and then every other date of each event after would be known. The chronology in my work shows that the ouster in heaven of Satan corresponds to the MOL being revealed, so that's all that would need to happen for the end to begin. So, there are only three more times in our lifetimes that this can occur, (if I am right of course), and the next date is in 2018, and that looks like this; {2300 Starts} Watchtower News Reports: Sept 9th, 2018; Rosh Hashanah | {965 Days Pass} | {1260, 1290, 1335 Starts} Watchtower Goes Down: May 1st, 2021 | {777 Days Pass} | {1742nd Day} Call to Rebuild Jerusalem: June 17th, 2023 | {108 Days Pass} | {1850th Day} Anglo-America Collapses: Sept 29th-6th, 2023; Sukkot | {375 Days Pass} | {1260 Ends} Jesus Enthroned: Oct 12th, 2024; Yom Kippur | {30 Days Pass} | {1290 Ends} Disgusting Thing Placed: Nov 11th, 2024 | {45 Days Pass} | {2300[SUP]th[/SUP], 1335[SUP]th [/SUP]Day} New World: Dec 26th, 2024; Hanukkah So you see, even though I believe something, that doesn't mean I can prove everything right this moment through scripture, some things we must wait on Jehovah for. I can however completely back up the chronology you see above, but only Jehovah can confirm that this is in fulfillment of Zech 3 and the stone, and only by the first news reports occurring on the exact day I said can this be confirmed, so that makes it a belief and interpretation. Although as you know, holy spirit works in mysterious ways. The reason I approach this subject the way I do is because I am a VERY rational man. I never confuse what my personal interpretation is with solid biblical fact, and I try to portray that the best I can. So with that said, my stand is that the chronology above is scriptural fact, but the chronology above being the stone before Joshua can only be proven by it's fulfillment.
Thanks Joshua for your explanations. This is serious business, if you are asigned to witness publicly against " beasts". And if you will be one of the 2 "final" witnesses. I am happy for anyone who will fulfill that prophecy. So that God's will will take place. l am sorry that I can not understand the "stone" and other details from the first part of Zechariah. It feels like I would need Jehovah personally tell me what those chapters mean.
What a beautiful expression of faith and your hope. Thank you so much for sharing! I loved reading what you said " to serve Jesus and Jehovah and get their tender love" In the end, regardless of ones 'final destination', thats what we all want. I also smiled really big when you spoke about " making all animals happy". I've never really imagined that being something an anointed person would express care about....making the animals happy. It is such a beautiful expression of love and care for every living thing. I also thought your statement about some of the anointed receiving stronger or weaker glorified bodies than their peers depending on the task that Jehovah will give them to do. Very insightful! Thank you so much for participating in this thread. I know that for whatever reason there seems to be a "hush-hush" sort of mentality when it comes to anointed speaking about their hope and I am deeply appreciative that you shared a very intimate and private experience with me.
I always get a calming feeling when I read your post, Joshua. Even when the post arent directed towards me. I believe several years ago, when you explained your profile pic and made mention of you having the heavenly hope, I never doubted it. Ever. I almost teared up when you spoke about how you never wanted to live in heaven that you enjoyed the idea of living here on earth coming up with some super fancy high technology. That was your desire and your passion and now coming to grips with the reality that you will not be apart of that process was heartbreaking. I teared up because I too have passions that I look forward to being able to exercise to my fullest potential, that of being a Master Artist. If Jehovah called me and this was something I had to give up. Something that gave me great joy, I would mourn. You humbly submitted to Jehovah's will and continue to do so. What a fine example. I wouldnt count yourself out when it comes to technologies that will be developed here on the earth, Jehovah knows you, I can see him giving you a nice little wink as he stations you to supervise that technology and its developments. Youre such a cool guy. If the wifie and I make it into the new system and you and the Lord Jesus travel upwards and downwards, please stop by and give us a visit. I'd love to you guys a great big hug.
Thank you for sharing your experience Jig! Im sure youre going to be the life of the party when you receive your reward. Stay strong brother. Keep the faith. Thank you for being such an encouragement. Your comments from the past to the present has brought many smiles to my face even when I felt low in spirit.
As I mentioned before, to me any work in the future (no matter what that is) is just more responsibility. I see my responsibility as being only a slave of others, and as I write i'm sure the scriptures I am quoting come to mind, I'm only doing what I should, and when it's done I was simply doing my duty. (Luk 17:10) As for the stone, you know there is a reason we want to keep this forum together and all of us close. In Zech 3 there is a scripture that I think about when it comes to making sure this forum stays in place, and that is Zech 3:8 "Hear, please, O High Priest Joshua, you and your companions who sit before you, for these men serve as a sign; look! I am bringing in my servant Sprout!" The sprout of course is that of the house of David and is Jesus, and Joshua is of course an individual human in the time of the end. We've discussed this in great detail in many other places on here. Not everyone comes together on this subject, but we all know what each other thinks and there isn't any reason for anyone to bring it up again but, with that said, notice what it says about "these men serve as a sign". If for an example someone on our forum had been given a commission by Jehovah to do some kind of work, and it was obvious that this person was right when the fulfillment of that occurs, everyone who sees it would be those spoken about in Zech 3:8. They would be a witness to Jehovah's end beginning and to the source of the final events to occur in the time of the end, and would be able to speak about it to others because they observed prophecy fulfilled, other then just learning about it after the fact, big difference... Now, I hope no one get's me wrong, I believe the two witnesses become those two when they see the new moon at the fulfillment of Rosh Hashanah, the first event to occur setting off the time of the end. So therefore the two witnesses cannot be identified yet, only potentials. The two witnesses must be faithful up until the time of the end and complete the work set before them in order for them to have that responsibility. If not Jehovah can choose someone else. Like I said before, I'm the least and the last deserving of Jehovah's attention, not unlike Joshua in Zech 3, if you remember he was dressed in befouled garments, and that comes from willful sin, but maybe that's the whole point, if someone like me can be forgiven for the mistakes I've made, I can appreciate others in the world struggling to do Jehovah's will in this world. After all that's why Jehovah chose from mankind the first fruits, because we would be the ones judging others to determine if they merit eternal life, who better then those who lived through this sinful system. So the moral to my post is, Jehovah's will... lol
I had to stop reading at this point and walk away. I've never thought anyone would understand what I had to give up at that moment. I deeply mourned the loss of everything I ever dreamed of and wanted, and I didn't even mention half of those things that went through my head. Like to hold a women? I am a man and I appreciate the female form, and trust me, that went through my mind, as well as my love for this universe and how it works and technology. Like I said I didn't think anyone would ever understand how much I grieved the loss of that, thank you... You see, at the moment I had to make that choice. After refusing several times because of my desire to be here on earth, the thought popped into my mind of whether what I wanted was more important then Jehovah's will for me. At that moment I had to decide what was more important to me, and that was either to do what I wanted, or to do what Jehovah wanted, and deep down I really do want to do his will over my own. Thanks for understanding though, that's one of those subtleties that I added because it was a big thing to me that most people may have looked over and thought nothing of it. Of course those of Christs brothers will be back, Jesus mentioned at Luke 22:16 "for I tell you, I will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God." and I look forward to ever lasting life with all of our friends on here (Jehovah willing). But keep in mind the end is not yet, and when these things begin to occur those here who see these things fulfilled will have a special position to see prophecy fulfilled, instead of just learning about it after the fact, what a privilege, and would be part of prophecy being fulfilled. (Zech 3:8) Of course nothing is final until Jehovah decides, so my dear brother we will wait upon him, and he will give us the necessary spirit in order to fulfill his will. No need to wait till the new system for dinner, if you ever find yourself coming through Kansas City let me know and we'll do just that brother!
I hope something I said proves of some value to someone. I have this thing most people who are Jehovah's witnesses have only seen and experienced things close to the kingdom hall. sure some have fallen a little. me I didn't fall I dived with deep hell gear about as deep as I could. I had the insatiable desire to know evil with as much passion as I had in the kingdom hall.. when I say been their done that. I mean I been were no man should have gone and would never be believed if he talked about it. I read about king solomen and set out to have his experience without any wisdom! in the end however I came to the same conclusion king solomen did. Jehovah is god! and it's my job to serve him and obey him. the tree of the knowledge of good and evil has lost all appeal to me! I have seen everything Satan has and all he has to offer! Jehovah by his mercy and grace gave me a little and I mean little look at eternity heaven hell the paradise. and the little glimpse I got was far far more than anything Satan's got! Jehovah has made it clear to me he has a job for me and I go about that job . I was never told don't tell what you have seen but I've learned by experience to keep quiet to the public and only share with others that ask questions about stuff I got to peek at. I was told while I was just beginning recovery that god chose me because I'm crazy enough to go! and that's alright by me. having took a test swim in fire lake it just don't get no worse! so for good for bad for whatever Jehovah wants here I am!
Hi again Joshua, I feel sad for you that you wished to do a lot of things on earth in paradise. When I was in teen age I was worried if I would accidentally die before I got married, because in the resurrection nobody marries or gets married. I did not want to miss that experience, to have a wife. So I hurried to get married and got married at 20 years of age. I've got 5 children. So now I well know what it is, the joys and difficulties. So now I am willing to give up all that. Already l have felt and remarked that the greatest joy and satisfaction I get from doing God's will than from family life. Especially hard it have been because my wife and my 2 teenage children regard me as an apostate. Probably Jehovah keeps their hearts hardened so that I would more easily be willing to give up all these earthy things. And I have remarked that my flesh periodically is more or less attracted to the opposite sex. Sometimes I wish my flesh would not work that way. So the attraction to the opposite sex is just a thing that is coming out of the flesh. According to my mind I could already give all that up. l know that in heaven the spiritual body will not come with sexual impulses and attraction to the opposite sex. You mentioned you love technical things and innovations. But think in heaven we will probably get the knowledge of all the secrets of the creation. Will that not be more wonderful than to be an earthly innovator? Maybe you had figured out all that already.
You know, this was years ago now, and to be quite honest after that moment I mourned I left all of those feelings behind. Something else I put in that post said that after that experience you no longer desire to remain here on earth and you never doubt your hope to heaven, and it's strange, it's something that's beyond your control, it's inplanted in such a way that you have no choice but to never doubt it, it becomes a matter of fact, like gravity. I might explain it a bit like a light switch. As a kid you want to stay up as long as possible at night and play, and you fight the sleep, but the moment your mother forces you to turn the light off you except it and at that point and enjoy your sleep. Without a better anology that's a bit how I have seen it. So although I had to give up my earthly hope and everything I ever wanted to serve Jehovah, I've never looked back and regretted that decision, that would not make me suteable in the work of the Lord. In fact I happen to relish in those moments of my work. You may notice I have a love of prophecy, and this is my work as a prophet, being a prophet is one who predicts events, and for that reason I was called, and those discoveries in scripture (as Utuna can attest too) are exciting and wonderful! I love my work in the Lord. Trust me, that went through my head at that moment too. Creation in this world is all about the discovery and creative experience, It's the process that is enjoyable. You see I've always been a Star Trek fan, and much of the technology on those shows I had desired to be a part of, while instantly gaining knowledge of how creation works seemed a disappointment at that moment, but you know since then I've changed my outlook, life in heaven no doubt is beyond my ability to understand at this time. We won't neccisarily have all knowledge implanted, and we may still after that discover how things work, and why wouldn't we be able to materialize and assist in projects here on earth, no doubt things will be beyond what we currently understand. With that said, all I really want is to simply do Jehovah's will, whatever that may be. If my work as a prophet is continuing to do his will then I want to keep strong in that work, if I have errors in some way I ask Jehovah to (gently ) correct me, as he has done on many occasions, and above all I never want to decieve myself, my desire is to do his will and to be a slave to mankind, nothing more, but if it be his will I sweep up after the dinners of other men who have this roll of prophet in the future then by all means let me have my broom so that I may begin my work... Jehovahs will...
“For this is what we tell YOU by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Consequently keep comforting one another with these words.†(1 Th 4:15-18 NWT)