How Did You React When You Learned The Truth About The Truth (TTATT)?

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    There are not many places on line like this now....there used to be....but they all seem to develop into making their own golden calf and promoting apostasy in some shape or form ....Perimeno is one of my favorites....but of course he doesn't run a forum...and I think very wise of him too.
    I know a few now are looking in on this site ....they have not commented yet...but probably will in time.
    It's a trust issue isn't it....but it's great to have you both here.....
     
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    I DEFINETLY agree with this...
     
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    I,also,went back because of knowing TATT.....it was a gift from Jehovah to me .....
     
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    Do you believe there are people from bethel on Perimeno or even this site? I'd be interested to hear their viewpoint on matters. I still have alot to read on this site and haven't even visited Perimeno yet.
     
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    I know people on here who read Perimeno...don't know about Bethel tho....
    You will love Perimeno....also you can email him too.
    Just from what I have seen....not all invited ones...that's what I call the annoited...as they are still just invited....anyway they don't all agree with each other on everything....
    Yet they do on what is important...and that's 1914.... And the prophetic books apply to us and not Christendom .
    Also to stay at meetings and preaching if at all possible....to respect the arrangement that Jehovah is allowing to stay in place at this time.....enjoy your reading and catching up.....it will help you to keep enduring and not be so lonley with what we know..:)
     
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    Here brother, if you haven't found it yet, here is the link to my website: "Joshuastone7.com"
     
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    Disclaimer:

    This is what we've been arguing about (respectfully) for almost a year now.

    In my reading, the "two witnesses" are the two covenants, Moses = Physical Israel and Elijah = Spiritual Israel.

    The "two lampstands" and the "two twigs" Jehovah combines during the time of the end so they "become one stick".

    "‘Will you not tell us what these things mean?’ 19 tell them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Eʹphra·im, and the tribes of Israel who are with him, and I will join them to the stick of Judah; and I will make them one stick, and they will become one in my hand.”"

    - Ezekiel 37:18-19

    "and they will no longer be two nations; nor will they be divided any longer into two kingdoms" - Ezekiel 37:22b

    Interesting note:

    in the recent God's Kingdom rules study, did anyone notice that the Bible Students believed something similar to this concept as well?

    Pre-1914
     
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    Also check out https://e-watchman.com/

    The "hub" website which brought many of us online Jehovah's Witnesses together ~15 years ago when there was a collective gasp of "1914 is probably wrong" as the USSR had dissolved, 9/11 happened, etc.
     
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    Morning brother...

    Can you expound on how you connect Zechariah 3 & 4 with Ezek 37? Are you connecting them simply because they both mention the number two?

    I can understand the two covenant concept as represented in the two witnesses, but that doesn't change the fact that they are two individuals. These two can represent a lot of things in scripture, but when you understand the uniqueness of these two in Zech 3 & 4 and Rev 11 they can only be two humans.
     
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    Hey bro, yeah i checked it out. I have some questions about a few things on it. Let me compose them correctly and see if you can give me some insight when you have a moment. Thanks again for the link.
     
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    Most certainly, I look forward to it...
     
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    I would doubt that people from Bethel would take the chance of being caught on a site like this. Even though there are good brothers and sisters here, some of the ideas do not harmonize with the Watchtower line. I think that is OK, but the brothers at Bethel surely would not. Even if they themselves have doubts about the truth about the truth, they would not make that notion public, in my opinion. There would be too much to lose and little to gain.
     
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    Plus, as secretive and paranoid as the society is I'm fairly confident that they "monitor" the online activity of their publishers pretty tightly. Only my opinion, of course.
     
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    Child sexual abuse in Australia.

    http://www.e-jw.org/index.php?threads/interesting-developments-in-australia.35/

    Here's some background information to this thread.

    I noticed the case of Steven Unthank a few years ago. He is speaking on behalf of the children who were sexually abused in the Traralgon Congregation, State of Victoria, Australia. Steven Unthank represented himself and Vincent Toole Solicitors represented the Watchtower Society in Australia. The trial seemed to be picking up traction fast and then abruptly ground to a halt. At the time, I wondered what was going on. Within a few months, I learnt that the State of Victoria, in Australia, was about to conduct an inquiry into child sexual abuse within that State. Now the pieces of the puzzle were starting to fit together.

    The inquiry into child sexual abuse within the State of Victoria was conducted and submitted to the Victorian Government. The Watchtower Society was "flagged" in this inquiry.

    Following the first inquiry, the Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse in Australia commenced its investigation. It is a process which takes much longer as it covers all States of Australia. The Watchtower Society was publicly interviewed in July-August 2015. It will again be publicly interviewed commencing from March 20, 2017. This second public meeting is where the Watchtower Society has to show proof of how it has amended its policies and procedures on dealing with child sexual abuse within its organisation. Final submissions to the Australian Government are due late 2017.

    As part of my line of work, I have to be familiar with the anti-discrimination legislation in the State where I live. I write many documents on this on behalf of clients. Never been inside a courtroom but I follow court cases with interest. I guess that interest rubs off in other areas.
     
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    Perimeno is really a very nice person. I like him very much. He will certainly appreciate messages of encouragement from the fact that he has not been very well lately. I encourage everybody to pray for him.
     
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    This is an open question to all here, but what really is the "truth about the truth"? Can I get a reader's digest version? Haha.

    Sure, I see what's wrong. I see the incompatibility of a group of infallible, uninspired men demanding unwavering loyalty and obedience. I see the vacuum of free discussion that is caused by a system of fear and control. I see the disturbing lengths that JWs will go to follow the GB's imperfect interpretation of scripture (death from blood abstinence). Those concerns seem to be shared here.

    Still, I am lost in terms of the "correct" spiritual path. I want understanding. When I read prophecies about the dark future for those who blindly follow uninspired men, it scares me. I want to know that I'm on the right path and honoring Jehovah rather than men. I'm trying to understand the "signs" in the scriptures, and I appreciate the prophecy posts on this forum. I know that understanding our place and future based on the prophecies of the Bible is important to following Jehovah. Is it a shared belief that we should keep with this organization despite its glaring flaws?
     
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    Well, if some of the slaves who were beaten by the evil slave left the household, and upon returning, the master could not find them. Would he not be upset? The innocent slaves excercised no faith, they left and took pleasure in unrighteousness, but the faithful and discreet slave who endured to the end was saved and appointed over all the master's belongings.

    Did the faithful Israelites leave when their brethren created the Golden Calf? No. They endured until Moses returned and Jehovah punished them. What would have happened if they abandoned them?

    Was David permitted to kill Saul even though he was evil? No, he was still Jehovah's appointed King.

    Are you a foolish virgin who brought no oil?
    Or did you prepare?

    If the judgement starts in God's house and you are not there? How will you be judged favorably?

    Do not forsake the gathering of your brothers.

    Pick up your torture steak.

    Be cautious like a serpent, innocent as a dove.

    Don't speak about ttatt, you will not be blood guilty if someone is stumbled when Jesus returns.
     
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    Very good assessments brother, very wise post...
     
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    Brother Hizazel hit the proverbial nail on the head as to what actions we should take.

    With that said, we have come to understand what is to come on the Watchtower, and her falling is destined by Jehovah, for their errors. So in fact what we understand as the TTATT is simply understanding more clearly what scripture says. Having a more full understanding of prophecy.

    There is a deluding influence in Jehovah's temple, and that is represented by the teaching, "The day of Jehovah is here".

    2Th 2:2 "not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here."

    1914 is an artfully contrived lie, put in place by Satan to blind unbelievers. There is no connection of the tree in Dan 4 to the Davadic throne, therefore there is no reason to count 7 times to find when Christ Jesus was enthroned, let alone 607.

    However, this is all prophesied to occur;

    2 Th 2:11 "That is why God lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie,"

    There is an agent of Satan within the GB, sitting down in the headquarters keeping this lie in place;

    2 Th 2:4 "He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god."

    These brothers are also blood guilty, by disfellowshipping repentant ones out into the world, with no one going to look for them.

    Ez 34:4-6 "You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bandaged the injured or brought back the strays or looked for the lost; rather, you have ruled them with harshness and tyranny. So they were scattered because there was no shepherd; they were scattered and became food for every wild beast of the field. My sheep were straying on all the mountains and on every high hill; my sheep were scattered over all the surface of the earth, with no one searching for them or seeking to find them."

    So, what is going on here, like our forum here is, Jehovah is setting aside his people ahead of time who understand ttatt, in order to prepare us for what is to come. So that we may be useful for when that time comes.

    Dan 11:32,33 "But the people who know their God will prevail and act effectively. And those having insight among the people will impart understanding to the many."

    Dan 12:4 "As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.”

    The Watchtower is the modern constant feature, and is destined to come down, for just as Hazazel pointed out, the end begins with us.

    1 Pet 4:17 "For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?"

    We should look forward to this time and be grateful that our Lord saw fit to inform us ahead of time the events that will take place beginning the time of the end, because we will not be stumbled like many others when these things begin to occur. We are set aside by our Lord for a special work during that time, so let us build up knowledge here, and encourage one another, in order to be prepared to answer the door when our Lord knocks... :)
     
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    One could answer you that Moses was appointed by Jehovah, and so was Saul. Where are the scriptural evidences that the Governing Body is appointed by Jehovah? What can we say to that?
    Note that when his life was in danger, David fled far from Saul and from the land of Israel. Maybe someone could feel that his spiritual life is in danger in the JW's organization.
    Sometime zeal would incite me to tell about what I learned with Robert, Perimeno and others on this site but I know that it would be useless and would only cause problems. Only my sister listen to me. My father asked me why I am still a JW when I was talking about the pedophile issue in Australia.

    Question: should I count a return visit anytime somebody come on my website and count the time they stay on it? Obviously, I'm just kidding. I would like to see the face of the secretary of my cong. when seeing my report in end of the month!
     
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