(My opinion) Facts which shouldn't be debated: 1. BTG is a religious/spiritual institution 2. BTG made kings and merchants wealthy 3. BTG has the blood of prophets and Christ's followers on her hands 4. BTG is known by multiple names So let's do some if / then statements about the other clues, all of this being conjecture, and me with a propensity for poor reasoning. ------ Statement: If Jehovah's people are in her, then Babylon the Great IS NOT "worldwide false religion" but either Judaism or Christianity. Note: At least by one possible interpretation, "my people" are current followers of Christ from the perspective of the then future time period, or possibly Jews. The invalidation of this conclusion is that "my people" could be a 'spiritual comment' about their future-faithful selves Jehovah is trying to save by getting them out of 'false religion'. Conclusion, I could go either way on this. ------ If she is the MOTHER of harlots, then she gave birth to children, and therefore CANNOT be ALL false religion but the progenitor of false religion. Conclusion, I see no other way of reading this. She is the mother of harlots and therefore not the 'container' holding all of false religion. ------ If those who do not escape BTG "share in the punishment of her sins", they aren't necessarily "doomed" to second death, but rather "share in punishment", perhaps in a similar way to the faithful/un-faithful slaves. (not equating, just pointing to the similar conception) Conclusion, I'm not sure. ------ I was pondering this after hearing a theory about BTG from `some other guy` on the internet (lol), who was arguing that the Jews using the BABYLONIAN Talmud, hatched a 'plot' if you will, to subvert Christianity. (anti-Christ is denying that Christ is the Messiah, 1 John goes into this) So they set out to pervert what became the Roman Catholic church, and transmute it into a betrayal of the truth in Christ. Facts: 1. The B. Talmud came out of Babylon. 2. The Jews rejected the messiah, and switched to the Talmud (not sure about the "Khazar" stuff ...) 3. The Catholic Church is like a reversed image of Judaism, Christianized My current conclusion: BTG is actually an amalgam of this false Judaism who transmuted the Roman church into false Christianity, which became rich from the merchants of the earth, has the blood of both the prophets AND witnesses of Christ, spawned the harlots, and holds Jehovah's people inside her on both sides. (Jews and Christians) Any thoughts / debunking? (forgive my poor erudition, I'm a meat and potatoes type, haha) Further conclusion: when I say 'fact' I really mean "my possibly, and likely wrong opinion"