When was the beginning when the Word was with God?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." Jhn 1:1

Well, let's start with all things that were made through the Word.

"Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind." Jn 1:2

This word translated as made is the Greek word genēthentōn and means came into being.

Made - genēthentōn/ginomai = Verb - to come into being, to happen, to become
Usage: I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.

So then all things came into being through the Word.

This is the same Greek word we find here,

"For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, ‘They shall not enter my rest,’” although his works were finished from the foundation of the world." Heb 11:4

Again, this word the translators used here as finished does not mean completed as one might read into this scripture, but rather it means came into being (genēthentōn/ginomai) just as all things came into being through the Word.

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So God's works began from the foundation of the world.

Foundation - katabolé - a laying down Usage: (a) foundation, (b) depositing, sowing, deposit, technically used of the act of conception.

So when was the foundation of the world when God's works began?

Well, let's start with that word world.

"He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him." Jhn 1:10

"I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world." Jhn 17:14

Scripture uses the word world as the people of the world as a whole.

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So then, let's move to when the Word was chosen.

"He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you." 1Pt 1:7

The Word was chosen before the founding of the people as a whole, the metaphoric world.

Okay, was that before Adam and Eve?

"And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Rev 13:8 (YLT)

So the lamb/Word was slain before the foundation of the world. This means sin had to have already entered the world, and the foundation of the people as a whole was not before Adam and Eve. The lamb is slain on behalf of sin. This means the foundation of the world is in Gen 4.

"Adam a made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.” Later she gave birth to his brother Abel." Gen 4:1,2

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So the Word was in the beginning with God.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Gen 1:1

And on the first day, He made light.

"and God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light." Gen 1:3

Just as the Word is that light.

"In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome a it." Jhn 1:4,5

He separates the light from the darkness.

"God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day." Gen 1:5

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So if His works began at the foundation of the world, which was after the sin of Adam and Eve, then the beginning is Gen 3:15.

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring a and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” Gen 3:15

That is the beginning in all Scripture.

Gen 3:15 was the beginning of God's plan to separate the day from night. To bring light into the world to separate the light from the darkness of sin and death.

"The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world." Jhn 1:9

"The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it." Jhn 1:5

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The works of God have not been completed; He is still at work.

"In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” Jhn 5:17

Just as His seventh day still lies ahead.

"For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested (rests) on the seventh day from all his works. And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.” Heb 4:4,5

We know this seventh-day rest is still future because Joshua did not lead the Israelites into God's rest.

"For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on." Heb 4:8

And this seventh-day rest is the seventh-day rest of God.

"By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work." Gen 2:2

There is only only one seventh-day rest, and God and man rest on the same day.

All love...

Joshua

 

I am going to make one small correction here.

I am going to say the foundation of the world and the beginning are both one and the same thing. Since the world in scripture denotes the people as a whole, then it's likely the founding of the world is the very same as the beginning in Gen 3:15 when both the seed of the serpent and woman are prophecied.

In the beginning, and the foundation of the world are one and the same thing.

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring a and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” Gen 3:15

 

Just as the woman was taken from the rib of a man, so too was a woman prepared through the Messiah's pierced rib. The bride of Christ is prepared through the Light of this world. Through the first man sin came, and then eternal life through the second, the Light.

 

Greetings friend...

I still believe the woman in Gen 3:15 is the means by which Jehovah brings the separation of the light from the darkness of this world. She is the same woman in Rev 12 that gave birth to Jesus at His baptism.

I believe the Bible is one complete narrative, and everything is connected. So, Eve was prepared from the rib of Adam, and the bride of Christ was prepared from the piercing of His side. The piercing of Jesus' side with the spear is the story of Adam's rib being removed. Both bring about their bride. The women from Gen 3:15 gave birth to Jesus at His baptism, and Christ's bride comes through His piercing. (Faithful death)

Jesus is the Light, the Word, and the Life. He is all three...

All love...

Joshua

 

Of course, I agree with you. I didn't make the connection to indicate that I believed there was a direct biblical link between the two stories. A link is not needed, nor would it add any new understanding if there was. The Bible often uses metaphors from the past repeatedly. Look at the word wilderness in the text as an example.

Again, I did not mean to intend to say I believed there was any direct connection between the rib from Adam and the piercing of Jesus, because there isn't. I was just pointing out a similarity.

I suppose I could have made that clearer, but I didn't think anyone would take it that way. I don't see anything to learn from such a connection between the two anyway.

Joshua