In agreeing with Tsaph's explanation of 1 Corinthians 15 it seems appropriate to ad this scripture at: Hebrews 1: 3. He is the reflection of his glory and the exact representation of his very being and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he set down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. Jesus has no choice but to be God - He is exactly like His Father. And yet He knows that without His Father He would not exist and so He will never consider himself equal to his Father and will always subject himself to the Almighty even though Jehovah has given all things to him. So Thomas will not get in trouble for saying of the resurrected Jesus "My God and My Lord". Nor will anyone. The living words of truth helps us to recognize these things. Have a blessed day. Joe
Could you expound on this brother? I don't believe anyone was arguing Jesus was God Almighty, in the sense that he was his Father, or that he was equal to his Father. It is my contention once he begins ruling on earth, as in heaven, all things are subject to him, except his Father.
What I was “implying” is when you ask that question, many “Christians” will automatically think you are asking if Jesus is God Almighty/Father/Holy Spirit/Trinity. He, Jesus, being of the same essence/material/spirit, as the Father=God Almighty. This particular belief is very strong among Baptists and other Trinitarians. One of the statements about Thomas’s exclamation; “My God and My Lord”, could be understood to be an expression of surprise, such as; “Oh my God”, and “Oh my Lord”. He was surprised by Jesus being resurrected. And. It could be taken as an affirmation that God the Father and Jesus are God. There is a saying, “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” Another is: “What you see, and what you believe are often both wrong.” Christopher Michael Oliva (Lead Guitar) This album was released April 2, 1993, the day before Criss’s 30th birthday. The woman in the picture of the album art is Dawn Oliva, Criss Oliva's wife. On October 17, 1993, at around 3:30 a.m., Criss and his wife Dawn were driving north on Highway 301 on his way to the Fourth Annual Livestock Festival held in Zephyrhills, Florida, just north of Tampa. An oncoming car operated by a drunk driver crossed the median and struck Criss's 1992 Mazda RX-7 head-on. Dawn survived the crash, but Criss was killed instantly. The drunk driver, who had seven prior drunk driving (DUI) convictions, survived with minor injuries and was later found guilty of DUI manslaughter, DUI serious injury and vehicular homicide, and served 18 months in prison of a five-year sentence. (Wikipedia) Savatage - Follow Me "Follow Me" Lyrics I really want to know What you had in store I couldn't really tell Maybe it's just as well I came here with a dream And I just had to see If my dream would soar I knocked on every door His whole life was written Written there inside The new weekly bible His modern T.V. Guide Every night he stares back at the screen, yeah A man only sees want he wants to see When he's in his mind Where he is that he wants to be Living in a world where he's safe from reality Won't you take a chance on this night And follow me Won't you follow me (repeat) Don't need no super heroes Don't need no movie stars Don't need no politicians In big black shiny cars Don't need no preacher Whose church is my T.V. A man only sees what he wants to see When he's in his mind Where he is what he wants to be Living in a world where he's safe from reality Won't you take a chance on this night And follow me Won't you follow me (repeat) (Instrumental bridge) Once was a broken hero The kind that we all know The kind that hides inside us For we never show The kind we say that could never be me His whole life was written Written there inside The new weekly bible His modern T.V. Guide Stare back at the screen, yeah yeah A man only sees want he wants to see
I think the scripture is plain as day: John 1:1, 18 Jesus is God of this universe; its his, and he created it. God's gift to him. Col. 1:15-17 This is not the Trinity. It's the truth. It's what the inspired word of God SAYS, not man. That's what I see. Could this be said of any angel?
I don't believe "Jesus is present', but that he received Kingdom power in 1914 or thereabouts. At that time he goes off to fight a huge war, cleansing the heavens, and does not 'come' to earth at all. He comes when Satan gangs up on Christians world-wide, after He gets defeated ih heaven, however long this war lasts...probably decades easily...not 1 day as WT says! Please don't confuse me with WT's doctrine. 1914 is not a WT doctrine, they just repeated an old teaching of better preachers than themselves from many years before. This is no fraud teaching, but fits the facts of history to a T. And has all the earmarks of similar Bible prophecies of Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation. "7" times.....= 3 1/2 'days' of years = 1,260 days....doubled. 'A day for a year' is a prophetic 'constant', used numerous times and in Daniel to foretell Messiah. 607 BC -1914 = 2,520 years. Easy-peesy, short simple, and bam! WWI, Spanish influenza, greatest earthquake death toll in recorded history (1922, China) As murder investigators say, "In murder there are no coincidences" . 1914 guilty as charged; beginning of Christ's rulership.
Yes, Jesus is a god. It was Jesus working alongside his father (Jehovah) that they created everything that exists. At Col 1:15 it is written, “.., the firstborn of all creation.” The Greek word used here is prototokos. It is a combination of protos (pro’-tos) = first in time or place. And tikto (tik’-to) a strengthened form of a primary teko {tek'-o} (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses) = to bring forth, bear, produce. In English, we have the word, prototype; c. 1600, from French prototype (16c.) and directly from Medieval Latin prototypus "original, primitive," from Greek prototypon "a first or primitive form," noun use of neuter singular of prototypos "original, primitive," from protos "first" (see proto-) + typos "impression, mold, pattern" (see type (n.)). In English from 1590s as prototypon. This gives us a hint as to whom Jehovah said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;” (Gen 1:26) The Hebrew word translated as image is tselem (tseh’-lem) = from an unused root meaning to shade. Or, shadow, as in a “shadow of the reality”. For many people, it is not “plain as day”. Otherwise, the teaching of the trinity would not be necessary. Satan will use every twist of language to deceive. Just as he did in the garden, he used deception by saying, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” Jehovah was specific in his instructions and mentioned only one tree. (Gen 2:16-17) There are some things that we will not know until they are revealed by Jehovah at the proper time. This will be through Jesus Christ. What is happening in the heavens at the present time, we do not know. The best that can be done is to not guess, and believe what is written. The best we can do is STUDY His Words. Study means; “application of the mind to the acquisition of knowledge, intensive reading and contemplation of a book, writings, etc.,”and “a state of deep thought or contemplation; a state of mental perplexity, doubt, anxiety; state of amazement or wonder.” Unfortunately, that is not what most people do. It appears that they would rather have someone else do the study and then regurgitate what was read. They will get the personal understanding and personal thoughts of that/those persons = Teacher/Pastor/Pope/GB, etc. I give MY personal understanding and personal thoughts, and interpretation of what I have studied. YOU will have to check it out and study for YOURSELF. How I made it to college still amazes me because it wasn’t until I had a marvelous professor who taught me how to learn. I was thirty years old and thought I knew everything. I learned I was wrong!
Yes, Tsaphah, I agree with all you said there. I also liked very much your reflection on the manner Satan phrased his little speech to Eve, which confused her even more. Good one! We all research, and through the spirit of God we get a little piece of the whole truth on the matter, present it for consideration here at the dinner table, and the end product adds to our overall knowledge of what Jesus is trying to say to our eager minds. We, are each members of the Body of Christ, if we are joined to him. And he is the head. So we all listen to what our head is saying, and we will get fed and live forever. 1 Cor. 12:12-27
Dear Sis Thinking, you said : Does he ? Can you quote any sentence he wrote which plainly says so... please, not just one sentence you think he might have hinted it....? This discussion is becoming irrational. We've already had such a discussion in the past in which we had reached the conclusion that Jesus may become one day what can be considered as "God-like", due to him becoming second to Jehovah God Almighty only, and never such a mess ever took place back then... Therefore, why is it the case now ?
Why not because as things during the GT may become a death or life matter, such false teachings as the trinity, 1914 or whatnot may become trivial, desperately trivial, at the end of the day ? Doesn't the Bible say that survival will be due to having the mark of the beast or not....?
Dear Barry, Please, how do you reconcile your line of reasoning in contradicting Josh with what's written in Matthew 25:31-46 : "When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world. For I became hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you received me hospitably; naked and you clothed me. I fell sick and you looked after me. I was in prison and you visited me.’ Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ In reply the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ “Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”" What's the worst ? To believe or to have believed in the Trinity, to believe that Christ's brothers are a myth or even to believe that all Christians are Christ's brothers ? Do you really think that the people of the world having then figuratively speaking a knife to their throats will care about God being threefold ? Won't they have enough already on their plate to make the distinction between the real "two witnesses" and the rest of the Christians whom many falsely pretend they also make up this "class" of persons, the latter ones being those Jesus called "false Christs" ?
Hey Thin King, Don’t shut up. Keep talking. That’s how discussions are started. Today is the 103rd year when the 1st World War got it’s start, with the assassination of Heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, Archduke Franz Ferdinand. (How many people care to know this fact?) If Christ began reigning in 1914, He has 897 years left of his 1,000 year reign. Then, on into the future/eternity. “All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.” (Lu 10:22) Jesus says that he is a God! “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.” (John 1:18) Monogenes = one generated, single of its kind, only. “For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.” (Mt 24:27) “For just like the lightning, when it flashes out of one part of the sky, shines to the other part of the sky, so will the Son of Man be in His day.” (Lu 17:24) I guess I missed that storm because if it happened in 1914, I wasn’t born yet. False Christs’? Oh yeah, there are plenty of those. “However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?” (Lu 18:8b) Faith = 1. the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ. 2. a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God. Will He find it?
I hope we can say that we here attest to that fact that "YES" Jesus will find the faith when he arrives...
Can a woman keep silent for a long time? By the way, we know for sure that women will not go in heaven. Yes, Revelation 8:1 explains it really clear, while talking about the opening of the seventh seal.
I believe the 1000 years starts when this system is destroyed. It includes the brothers of Christ all resurrected, and present in their administrative capacity. Jesus received the Judaic Throne at the end of the gentile Times, and was sent forth to war. The war in heaven is still going on. and war will continue until satan is caught and thrown in prison. All Christianity is about to go to war...or be persecuted for righteousness' sake, I believe. This will be Satan's Great Tribulation. WT taught Jehovah brings the GT....Armageddon. It is brought by Satan, and his Wild Beast govt,...and the image of the beast. Jesus called it, "the hour of test". Something we need to start getting ready for even now. There are things we can do.