So, silly me, I bought the digital version as it turns out. Here is a snapshot 1 Thessalonians 4:16 in the oldest New Testament Translation known to man. Here is Jude 9 As we know, "the" is definite, thus Michael is the only Archangel, Jesus uses the voice of Archangel, but you can use Jude 9 NIV against a Trinitarian to prove the definite argument, since it is their Bible after all. And just for the sake of it, here is John 1:1 This translation to me is the most accurate, because Jesus is a God, the other God is Jehovah, for one of Jesus' titles is Mighty God and in Philippians 2
According to my researches a word that is put in parentheses is not part of the text that was translated, example here: Jesus is(a)God- Please correct me if I am wrong ,my researches on that was done long ago. My memory is ??? Christian Love, Regent
It was not part of the text because "a" or "an" was not used in the Greek language. So this translation proves how 2nd Century Christians understood the verse. If the trinity originally supported this verse, they would have written "the God" in the original Greek manuscripts. But there are two Gods, so calling Jesus, the God is incorrect. Hence, they wrote God. It would be incorrect to write, "Gods was the word", because now you are saying Jehovah is also the word. http://www.jehovah.to/exe/translation/coptic.pdf
Sorry that I disappeared! I truly figured that I had misunderstood. Thank you for confirming! Love you very much!
A BIG LIKE from me too, BTW. Thanks so much... I have another arrow in my 'kill the trinity' quiver: Coptic translation. Very Good.
Aaaah Bro T..you have melted my heart.....thank you...I didn't know you wrote this...some one...an old friend of yours wrote me and told me you posted to me....as I have not visited since...my last post...but how could I not reply to you..... Yeah an angel directed that brother to knock on your door and give you that invite....and that brother would never know he was used like that..or what effect he may have on your life....and that in itself is encouraging to me.. ..as I dont like door to door...but I can see just from your experience that Jehovah does use us..even when we feel we are doing a work that is not producing anything ...over here anyway...and feel as if the wind has been taken out of our preaching sails because of what we now know... So that really helped me to continue in the preaching work...maybe not for new sheep but to encourage others back to his house.. I'm like you...we both have big mouths..hahah...maybye mine is bigger than yours...lol... I wasn't disfellowshipped when I went back ...nor will you be...we both know what the other knows...and he trained me in being humble and learning my place in his corrupt org....and he will train you too...when and if you go back... It will be really really hard....and if you go back you may feel like leaving again....but why let the weeds force you to leave his house....you are the wheat ...and Jehovah wants you there ...because of the good you can do when it all goes under ...or for so,e other reason we just cannot see yet...perhaps because we were both once Of his house....he even expects us to stay as an act of loyalty to him..knowing what we know...I personally view it as loyalty to him...not the org... You have so much experience ..you can see what others do not...he will use you very much in the coming days ahead...to strengthen the weak and bullied trying to survive... There is a reason why Jehovah draws some back...I dont understand it fully .....I can see why a little bit..but I think if we act on his direction in pulling us back...even tho we fight it a lot...well I did anyway I think we will be very very relieved we followed his direction and understand and see somthing we yet do not. Also Bro T...I really don't defend the org at all....I weep and cry at what the org has done to his sheep..to my son......the injustice and cruelty they have laid on so many is utterly indefensible....I actually despise much of their attitude and ways very greatly".........but I also despise my own weaknesses and sins also... what I do defend...if that's the word?..is Jehovah's decision to still allow that org/house to keep standing ....and I must learn humility and acknowledge he is allowing it for a reason..it's part of his plan.. He hates ones being pushed and bullied out of his house....and it's a massive testing to come back . Can you remember ...eyes and ears ....from Roberts old forum....well when I started to go back...when a certain elder got up for his part I would get up and leave....in tears ...to think Jehovah would allow such a person to even be there ..and doing that.....the sheer hypocrisy... Anyway eyes and ears...said to me...." .BE CAREFUL thinking..remember...they DONT CARE wether you are there or not..." I pondered on that a lot.....why let a weed...a big weed too.....ruin it for me...Jehovah took a lot of trouble to draw me to his house In the first place....amd when he ddrew me to his house...it was already corrupt...he seen so much going on..but yet he drew so many of us there......and now I was allowing a weed with in his house to chase me out... That sis helped me so much...but it was a massive on going fight for me...and Jehovah gave me relief after a few years...as those elders were removed...and now we have such loving kind ones...but he made me walk the walk and do the time before he gave me that relief... I have also taken on board the council you have given me... I will pray that if you do go back...to a KH..that Jehovah shows you kindness ...And you see the wheat...and experience a little warmth ...enough to encourage you to keep going...now adays I think we are fortunate to find just one solid friend at the KHs... As you say...we really don't know what lies ahead...but keep the faith...but if you feel he is directing you...then follow it....he must be doing it for a reason....and yeah..I know it feels like you are picking up a torture stake... I could say so much more to you..but it's just too personal...the scars too deep...and you don't PM...just know..that I truly ..absolutely ..know Jehovah wants us back at his house for a reason...and if Some one like I can do it...I know you can...( the fact that he's sort of giving you a shove sort of helps...hahah ) Much love to you Bro T....
To Brothers Thinking, and Tsasaph, I appreciate your love and brotherhood developed on this site, and I share a portion of the truth and holy spirit-brotherhood from being here on and off the last 2 years. Like you, I was very discouraged over abuses in the org. ... Elders who were puffed up with pride, self-righteousness, and stumbling many with their narrow, unloving appraisal of teens, 'weak' publishers (what a term, eh?), and those who wished to know better, and more accurate understanding of the Bible...whom, as I was, were on shaky grounds as 'possible apostates'! I stayed 'in' for 9 years longer than I should have; each year...waiting for 'Jehovah to straighten things out'. But, Jehovah NEVER DID. So, I saw the writing on the wall; Watchtower is not Christianity, but a pseudo , ineffective, unloving religious organization that seriously lacks Christian understanding and Holy Spirit direction AT THE TOP, although of course, members are a different matter...yet being influenced to imitate the self-righteous ways exhibited by Saul of Tarsus, unenlightened, cruel, and unloving. Un-Christian, in reality. And as a consequence, the lowly sheep down at ground level...the pasture' so to speak...are anemic, and suffer abuses. Prov. 29:2 If you think back, this very site has been instrumental in bringing to light some very important truths from God and Christ that you will never find in a WT magazine...ever. This is indicative of the fact WT is not in possession of the 'spirit of Christ', nor his supervision, but is a copy of the old Jewish Law-covenant religion, more than Christian. Now, you miss the association of JW's, and I do too, to a point. What? They are in many cases, my own sisters, and a brother, fleshly, and many life-long friends. But.....something big, important , and NEW is happening; an awakening from Christ, and realization of direction from the Spirit to a more intimate and true call from God for truth HUNGRY JW's like ourselves. Noble-minded....and analytical. Whereas WT has always told us to follow the 'FDS', as they are the only WAY to get into 'Paradise'... Jesus did NOT teach this. He teaches the Holy Spirit and HE alone is the way to the Father, and the way HOME to receive training to become the sons of God, and enter the teaching and restoration program of God's Kingdom. Now, this is all instruction from Christ, and you may think it all academic, and wordy. But, Christ also teaches the spiritual need to be in line and united with Him and the Father, and receive the Spirit into our bodies...AND THAT IS POWER. And that is change. And I hope you will agree and SEE that is what's wrong with WT, that they will not change, or re-fashion themselves according to Christ's image. Why? Because at the top, egotistical and power-loving men are full of pride, and glory from men, and the love of the power money and world-recognition from 8 million subjects gives them. This is what Satan craves; WORSHIP! Think about it. Are you ready to go back into worshiping the 'Faithful, and ever so humble 'Slave'? Sad to say, Father is not drawing them to Him, and the Son does NOT want this corporate religion as His 'representative', because they want something FROM the sheep, and they do not want the sheep to follow Jesus at all. (read John 10 please) If you want to go back to just have friends, that's understandable. But if you want to progress and be with those who are growing in number; escaping WT's mind-numbing programming at assemblies, meetings and literature, then hang on, and keep reading, researching, and meeting with those here and other places who are doing the work, and spending the time LEARNING from God, Christ and the Holy Spirit, the truth. Grow.....do not shrink back to the falsehoods which you know are putting Witnesses to SLEEP so WT can fleece them. Sorry so cutting, but it is time WT is viewed in the light of the Bible, and REALITY. And I know...YOU KNOW that's true.
If the Sahidic Coptic wasn't enough for you, this is the nail in the coffin for the Trinitarians, who deny the father, Jehovah. Ignatius of Antioch was a student and disciple of the Apostle John whom God trusted the book of Revelation. Note below from John's disciple some of the different errors that were creeping into the early Church. Would John have corrected Ignatius if he was in error? And most significantly, note that Ignatius did not believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one God or that Jesus was co-eternal with the Father. And since Ignatius was John's disciple, what did he teach his student? “They introduce God as a Being unknown; they suppose Christ to be unbegotten; ... Some of them say that the Son is a mere man, and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are but the same person, and that the creation is the work of God, not by Christ, but by some other strange power. Be on your guard, therefore, against such persons.” — (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians, Chapter VI - Abstain from the Poison of Heretics) But our Physician is the Only true God, the unbegotten and unapproachable, the Lord of all, the Father and Begetter of the only-begotten Son. We have also as a Physician the Lord our God, Jesus the Christ, the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For "the Word was made flesh." Being incorporeal, He was in the body, being impassible, He was in a passible body, being immortal, He was in a mortal body, being life, He became subject to corruption, that He might free our souls from death and corruption, and heal them, and might restore them to health, when they were diseased with ungodliness and wicked lusts. Letter to the Ephesians, ch. 7, longer version Notice the name of this chapter is called “Abstain from the Poison of Heretics.” Oh how things have changed. Those who reject the pagan three in one god principle are typically called heretics today, and yet in John's time it was the other way around. Never underestimate Satan to turn truth into error and error into truth. 1 John 2:18-19 “Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1 John 2:22-23 “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same has not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son has the Father also.” Side note, if you read up on Arianism, you'll notice Constantine and his Trinitarians were threatening the Arians with death, such behavior is proof that these people did not have the truth in them.
It was very interesting to view an read, B.T.W. keep up your good work. brotherly Love of Christ, Regent
We need your help fighting the fine fight guys. Defend Your Faith: The Trinity https://www.reddit.com/r/JWs/comments/6my45h/defend_your_faith_the_trinity/
Look at you supporting the subreddit that banned us XD (I mean I'm not banned but probably on the verge lol).
I wrote a response on there and clicked post, then it said something weren't wrong and it disappeared, im out.
It's for the best. I've tried to ignite discussions on there but anyone who isn't 100% on board with the org is attacked.
Hi Sis, As we used to say: Much Grass! Well, maybe that can be taken the wrong way. It was intended to be a mispronunciation of Muchas gracias (Many Thanks) in Spanish. I appreciate the time you took to write these wonderful thoughts. You had me tearing up, making it hard to read. My eyes were sweating. Ha Ha. IF I go back, it will be a big step for me. Jehovah keeps kicking my back side, trying to get me going. But, here's one that I probably would not have had if I kept the WTS attitude. I met a lady the other day who asked me about obtaining a good Hebrew Bible. I told her where she could find several on the internet. But, I told her if she wanted to study the Bible, I would gladly help her. I used the example of the “User’s Manual” and the Bible. I also explained what the “Kingdom of God” really was: a perfect government. I then used Luke 4:5-8, and explained what it meant as far as all the governments that exist today. I also mentioned about one of Satan’s biggest lies; He doesn’t exist! Yes, he would like everyone to think that way. The same lie he has is the other side; God does not exist! As we talked, I realized how much we had in common in understanding the world and many scientific ideas. I applied some of the laws of the universe and how they fit the teachings of the Bible. I believe this set the stage for a Bible Study. We shall see.
I've been having troubles with my 3 computers and the internet. So, once I get them straightened out, I'll list some of the books and information about the intrusion into the "church", starting in the late first to early second century. It didn't take much time at all. Satan was very busy trying to confuse the early congregations.
I tried... We are in a time where minds cannot be changed by man alone any longer, it seems like most people have made up their minds as to what salvation is, without any concern for any other thoughts. I leave it in our Lords hands...
I tried... We are in a time where minds cannot be changed by man alone any longer, it seems like most people have made up their minds as to what salvation is, without any concern for any other thoughts. I leave it in our Lords hands... Josh; Been seeing this as true in churches I go to for years; nobody seeking better knowledge, or spirit and truth. I am convinced just associating online with 'diggers' is going to be the only good association I get. Prov. 2:4,5 And that's exactly what Jesus said God is looking for; people who yearn to worship with more of the holy spirit, and more Bible truth. What really frustrates me is; JW's online seem so reticent to accept the spirit re-birth....like its demonism! This is Jesus' insistence... "You must be born again." Time is wasting all.....better wake up.