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    Israel, physical or metaphor?

    Zionism is the common belief that in our current age the physical nation of Israel is represented in prophecy. Supersessionism also called replacement theology holds that Israel throughout prophecy in our day represents the collective worldwide whole of all true believers. Which is true?

    The Apostle Paul had something to say on this matter;

    "For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision something on the outside, on the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code." Rom 2:28,29

    "But now apart from law God’s righteousness has been revealed, as the Law and the Prophets bear witness, yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction." Rom 3:21,22

    If after God's righteousness through faith in Christ revealed there is no distinction between the physical jew and greek, when did this moment occur?

    Well, during our Lord's ministry he directed his disciples to go only to the house of Israel in order to preach the new covenant and to not go out to the nations.

    "These 12 Jesus sent out, giving them these instructions: “Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter any Sa·marʹi·tan city; but instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Mth 10:5,6

    So when were the peoples of the nations gathered into the new covenant? We know this happed when Cornelius the Centurion and his family were baptized by Peter, fulfilling one of the keys given him by our Lord Christ Jesus.

    "But he (Peter) became very hungry and wanted to eat. While they were preparing the meal, he fell into a trance and saw heaven opened and something descending like a great linen sheet being let down by its four corners on the earth; and in it were all sorts of four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth and birds of heaven. Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, slaughter* and eat!” But Peter said: “Not at all, Lord, because I have never eaten anything defiled and unclean.” And the voice spoke again to him, the second time: “Stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.” This happened a third time, and immediately it was taken up into heaven." Rom 10:10-16

    Interestingly this event was in fulfillment of prophecy from the book of Daniel. Cornelius was baptized approximately three and a half years after our Lord was baptized and is in my summation the fulfillment of the end of the 70th week of Dan 9 from Israel's captivity unto Babylon. (More on that later)

    Seventy weeks of years were given Israel under the old covenant before the establishment of the new under Christ Jesus.

    "There are 70 weeks that have been determined for your people and your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, to finish off sin, to make atonement for error, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and the prophecy, and to anoint the Holy of Holies." Dan 9:24

    Sometime after the 69th week, we are told the Messiah will be cut off.

    "And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself." Dan 9:26

    What happens during that seventieth week? The covenant that was promised to Israel to enter God's kingdom was put in place for the "many" (a term denoting the Jews themselves) for one week of years.

    "And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week" Dan 9:27

    Once our Lord Christ Jesus was baptized, the good news of the kingdom was preached all throughout the house of Israel inviting the Jewish nation into this new covenant under Christ.

    At the half of that seventieth-week gift offerings ceased. This was the moment our Lord was "cut off" and gave his perfect life a sacrifice for all believers. The offerings that ceased were those at the temple when the sacrifices of bulls and sheep were no longer needed.

    "and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease." Dan 9:27b

    Since that covenant for a kingdom was held in place for the "many" (Jews) for seven years, once that seventieth week ended, the nations were invited into that covenant once Cornelious was baptized.

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    The start of the seventieth week was seen the moment our Lord was baptized by John in the Jordan River.

    "You should know and understand that from the issuing of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until Mes·siʹahm the Leader, there will be 7 weeks, also 62 weeks." Dan 9:25

    At the half of that week, our Lord was cut off at his sacrifice ending the sacrifices and gift offerings at the temple. Ending their necessity and validity before Jehovah.

    The covenant for the established kingdom of God was in place for the Jewish nation as our Lord and his disciples preached that kingdom news unto the house of Israel alone until the end of that seventieth week in fulfillment of the sheet before Peter once the nations were to be gathered in once Cornelious was baptized. It was at that point a Jew was no longer one of descent, but one of heart. And by extension, Israel of prophecy in our day concerns itself with only the worldwide collection of true believers and not a plot of land on the globe.

    All these matters are of course of my own belief structure as I hope you may find some points of interest within.

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    Yes, this makes sense to me. Otherwise, why would Jehovah allow the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple? The nation of Israel became known as Ashkenazi or Ashkenazim Jews. They could not trace their heritage to any of the twelve tribes. There were no priests, because all of their records were destroyed by the Roman Army in the year 66. None of the nation of Israel could trace their tribal history. So, they all were classified as "Jews", or Judem, by the Romans and other nations. They still carried forth there synagogues; meeting places of worship. But; no high priests or priests in general.
     
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    Agreed brother... I believe we've had this conversation before. No one could ever trace their heritage back 2000 years. The math makes that impossible...

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    Hey Brother,
    I had a friend that said she could trace her family all the way back to Adam and Eve. She paid a genealogist to do the DNA.
    It took me a while ( two years ) to figure it out! And, you don't need a genealogist to do it! We read the Bible and find out
    we all come from Adam and Eve!!:eek::rolleyes::) We just can't find the paperwork.
     
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    Does that make the claim invalid? I am not a proponent of Replacement Theology, there are promises that our Heavenly Father made the Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their descendants that cannot be fulfilled in any other group or individuals. God cannot lie. Now some would say 'He hasn't lied, he has kept his promises to Israel, he only altered who or what Israel is so that those promises can be fulfilled'. BUT ... keep in mind what He says in Psalms 89:34 "My covenant will I not break, Nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." Jehovah made a covenant, he cannot break it, and Replacement Theology is an alteration.

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    When discussing family trees, each generation one looks back, the number of descendants double. Using an average of a generation amounting to 30 years, if one counts their genealogy back to the year 70ce, we discover that we would have 20 quintillion ancestors. That is a 20 with 18 zeros behind it. Now obviously there were not that many people alive in the first century. In fact, there were probably only around 200 million living at the time. Therefore the number of duplicate names and family overlaps is astronomical.

    Said another way, most likely every single person on earth is a Jew by genealogy and there is no way of knowing what a genetic Jew is today. After all Tit 3:9 says; "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies."


    I believe Jehovah has already fulfilled his covenant for a kingdom to the physical Jew, and physical Israel from the moment Jesus was baptized until Cornelious was baptized. (7 years) This I believe was the covenant held in place for the "many" (Israel) for the one week. (Dan 9:27) At which point Israel and a Jew became a metaphor once Cornelius became a Jew of the heart.

    "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near." Mth 10:5-7

    I believe Jehovah fulfilled his covenant for a kingdom unto physical Israel 2000 years ago, and there is no such thing as a physical Jew today.

    But, that's just my 2 cents on the matter... ;)

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