Language is code

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    Languages aren't a world in themselves, but a universe !

    From here : Charles V used to say that "the more languages a man knew, he was so many more times a man." Each new form of human speech introduces one into a new world of thought and life. So in some degree is it in traversing other continents and mingling with other races.

    Everything that Jehovah created is utterly deep, meaningful and truly unfathomable by men. He amazes me in everything, always ! I'm in awe of the majesty, the depth, the meaningfulness and subtlety of his Creation.
     
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    Tsaphah had started a great thread in the past about the brain but as the latter doesn't exist anymore (the thread, not the brain...:p), I'll post here an interesting video (in English) and an article about people having hallucinations... Fleshly faith and physiological (or psychotic) phenomena may make people believe that "donkeys can fly", so to speak.

    Oliver Sacks: What hallucination reveals about our minds


    http://www.ted.com/talks/oliver_sacks_what_hallucination_reveals_about_our_minds.html

    Hallucinations of musical notation


    http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/03/22/brain.awt057.full
     
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    What Happens When A Language's Last Monolingual Speaker Dies?

    January 08, 201410:34 AM

    Emily Johnson Dickerson died at her home in Ada, Okla., last week. She was the last person alive who spoke only the Chickasaw language.

    "This is a sad day for all Chickasaw people because we have lost a cherished member of our Chickasaw family and an unequaled source of knowledge about our language and culture," Chickasaw Nation Gov. Bill Anoatubby said in a news release. The Chickasaw Nation has about 55,000 members and is based in the southern part of central Oklahoma.

    Dickerson, 93, was one of about 65 people fluent in the Chickasaw language, which has seen its number of speakers shrink from thousands since the 1960s.

    "Chickasaw was the dominant language in Chickasaw Nation, both prior to and following removal [when Chickasaw people were forced to relocate to Indian Territory*]," says Joshua Hinson, director of the Chickasaw Language Revitalization Program. "It was the late 1880s, 1890s and into the 1900s when we started to see a shift toward English."

    The people who still speak Chickasaw — now in their 60s and 70s — started learning English when they were forced to go to boarding schools for Indians or local public schools. Dickerson didn't learn another language because, Hinson says, she didn't need English. She was from a traditional community, Kali-Homma', and didn't work in a wage economy.

    "She lived like our ancestors did a long time ago," Hinson says. "What's important in Chickasaw is quite different than [what's important] in English. ... For her, she saw a world from a Chickasaw worldview, without the interference of English at all."

    Though the Chickasaw language is very different from English, it shares features with other Native languages.

    Chickasaw is a spoken language, replete with long, intricate words that have the same amount of information as a sentence or sometimes two sentences in English. Take the word Ilooibaa-áyya'shahminattook.

    "This means something like 'We (including you, the person I am speaking to) were there together, habitually, a long time (more than a year) ago,' " Hinson wrote in an email. (The word was too long to spell out over the phone.)

    Experts say the rest of the 65 Chickasaw speakers, all of whom are bilingual, might be a big enough pool to preserve the language. Greg Anderson, director of the Living Tongues Institute, thinks the situation, though bleak, is not as bad as it could be.

    "You can never really predict what the future will bring for a language that's in demise, even a language as far eroded as Chickasaw is," Anderson says. "As small as the number is, it could be a lot worse. ... You could conceivably, with very difficult — to be honest — time-consuming effort ... try to maintain and preserve and find main domains of use [for the language]."

    Hinson's program tries to counter further erosion of Chickasaw by offering language immersion programs — for both kids and adults. Tools, including an iPhone app and a stream of videos, make the language accessible to anyone, as Hinson puts it, "on the face of the planet."

    The death of Emily Johnson Dickerson last week is a "kind of reminder in how important the work we do in revitalization is, how important it is for us to be serious and committed and hard-working," Hinson says. "We don't want to have a situation in 30 years where we say our last Native speaker has passed and we don't have a speaker who can have a conversation in Chickasaw."

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    *This forced removal followed the passage of the Indian Removal Act of 1830 and is commonly referred to as the "Trail of Tears."

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    This afternoon, I've watched an episode of a DVD about the Civil War. During the ending part of the first episode, a letter of a certain Sullivan Ballou to his wife was recited. A few letters and speeches of Abraham Lincoln were also quoted. The translation in French is stunningly beautiful and it made me have a look at the English versions. It's so beautifully written.

    Yesterday, I was reading PDF files of the very first WT articles written by brother Russell, as well as the letters that he exchanged with Barbour. That's so beautifully written !


    What a difference with nowadays...!!!! Jerry Springer ? What else !? :p

    I read the PDF file some more just out of pleasure of reading such a beautiful writing.

    The other day, I was listening to a podcast about Louis XIV and there were quotes from a movie about him and the dialogues were amazing too because they were worded like they were speaking back then. The presenter said that he was charmed, as I was, and added : "Those dialogues are a delight for the mind". I whole-heartedly agreed !!!

    No matter the language considered, speech for humans is really a gift from God... !!!!! So beautiful !!!

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    That one made me laugh... lol

    A young man was pacing to and fro as a sentinel in a wood at night, all alone, and all of a sudden, an owl sang :

    • 01:07:14 and the owl said, "whooooo
    • 01:07:17 and the boy, trembling with fear, said,
    • 01:07:21 "It's me, sir, John Albert, a friend of yours."
    • 01:07:37 in May, Union troops crossed the Potomac by torchlight
    • 01:07:40 and took the heights of Arlington.
     
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    hey does anybody know computer code out their? I may be wrong but the new $100 bill has a bunch of 1s and 0s spaced so that it looks like a repeated 666 666 666 on the left front.
     
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    One of my siblings (who is younger than me) sent me a text message. It did not contain any vowels. I didn't understand what they were trying to say and I'm not internet "savvy." :confused: So I sent a text back: "Wot?"
     
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    I don't and won't carry a cell , but since those abbreviations are in common usage now I found that looking up a site that gives what those abbreviations stand for (it's a kind of shorthand I find) and make communication easy and brief ...
    ROFL (rolling on floor laughing) which I now use quite a bit on my facebook page ...It is now even being used as speech in some circles therefore I have found it necessary to refer to that site a litte more frequently . Netlingo . hahahahaaha lets give Utuna some more challanges ..


    http://www.netlingo.com/acronyms.php
     
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    14N6U463 I5 4 C0D3, 1 W45 701D 0NC3.

    1 U53D 7H47 C0D3 W17H 4 B207H32, 4 F213ND 0F M1N3, 1N 73X7 M3554635, F02 7H3 FUN 0F 17. 7'W45 C001 !

    70 83 02 N07 70 83, 7H47 15 7H3 QU35710N ! :p

    Key here and especially here (there's no chart in the English version so I had to post the French version wherein the chart is given, sorry).
     
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    No vowels ? Might have been in Arabic or Hebrew.... :p
     
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    language is for code I was told once
    I used that code with four brothers four friend of mine in that message for the fun of it , twas cool
    to be or not to be that is the question ...hahahahaha


    oh I did not go to the links ...just visual interpretation ...
     
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    I used that code with a brother, a friend of mine, in text messages, for the fun of it. T'was cool!

    To be or not to be, that is the question! (smiley)

    (good job PoP, I just saw you cracked it after I posted this! - We know '133t' speak!)



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    In my recent studies, readings, and research, I found these two quotations which fit into the subject matter about the human condition.

    "Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is." - Albert Camus

    “Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.†- Douglas Adams

    The following is an excerpt from “How to Speak How to Listen†by Mortimer J. Adler
    There was also the recent movie, “Herâ€, about a man who develops a personal love and relationship with a computer generated voice.

    “In this century, chimpanzees have been trained by humans to use sign language with severely limited vocabularies. To those whose fanciful interpretation of the phenomena remains uncritical, the chimps give an appearance of making statements and of responding to human questions. Be that as it may, chimpanzees do not talk with one another, and in a state of nature they do not talk at all. Their communication in the wild, as with all the other higher mammals, including bottle-nosed dolphins, is by means of signals, not by means of signs that have reference to either perceptual objects or objects of thought.

    The point is not that man is the only animal that communicates with his kind. Some form of communication occurs among all social animals. The point lies rather in the precise kind of communication that takes place. Human communication in two-way talk can achieve a meeting of minds, a sharing of understandings and thoughts, of feelings and wishes.

    Shared thoughts and feelings, understood agreements and disagreements, make humans the only animals that genuinely commune with one another. Even though they signal their emotions or impulses to one another, other animals remain shut out from each other. They do not commune with one another when they communicate. The human community would not exist without such communion, which would not exist without human conversation.

    This century has also seen the production of computer like machines that are eulogistically referred to as artificial intelligence machines. Their inventors and exponents claim for them that they will soon be able to do everything that the mind enables human beings to do. Their claim goes further than predicting that these machines will someday simulate characteristically human performances of all sorts, such as reading and writing, listening and speaking, as well as calculating, problem solving, and decision making. It predicts that the machine performance of these operations will be indistinguishable from the human performance of them.

    Three centuries ago, a famous French philosopher, Rene Descartes, countered this prediction by asserting that there would always remain at feast one thing that would separate the performance of machines from that of human beings. This one thing, which machines would never be able to simulate so successfully that machine and human performance would be indistinguishable, Descartes said, was conversation. For him that was the acid test of the radical difference in kind between humans and brutes as well as between men and machines.

    In Part V of his Discourse on Method, Descartes conceded that intricate machines might he constructed to simulate successfully the performance of other animals⎯brutes by virtue of their lack of intellect, reason, or the power of conceptual thought. If there were machines possessing the organs and outward form of a monkey or some other animal without reason, Descartes agreed that “we would not have any means of ascertaining that they were not of the same nature as those animals.†And in another place he wrote:

    It is a very remarkable fact that there are none so depraved or stupid, without even excepting idiots, that they cannot arrange different words together, forming of them a statement by which they can make known their thoughts; while, on the other hand, there is no other animal, however perfect and fortunately circumstanced it may be, which can do the same.

    This does not merely show that the brutes have less reason than men, but that they have none at all, since it is clear that very little is required in order to be able to talk.

    A central thesis in the philosophy of Descartes was that matter cannot think. It was, therefore, quite consonant with the whole tenor of his thought to use machines⎯purely material mechanisms⎯as a challenge to his materialistic opponents. Here is the passage in which he hurls that challenge at them. I quote only the first part of it.

    If there were machines which bore a resemblance to our body and imitated our actions so far as it was morally [i.e., practically] possible to do so, we should always have two very certain tests by which to recognize that, for all that, they were not real men.

    The first is that they could never use speech or other signs as we do when placing our thought on record for the benefit of others. For we can easily understand a machine’s being constituted so that it can utter words, and even emit some responses to action on it of a corporeal kind, which brings about a change in its organs; for instance, if it is touched in a particular part, it may ask what we wish to say to it; if in another part, it may exclaim that it is being hurt and so on. But it [could] never happen that it [would] arrange its speech in various ways, in order to reply appropriately to everything that may be said in its presence, as even the lowest type of man can do.

    What Descartes is here saying, as I understand it, stresses the almost infinite flexibility and variety of human conversation. If over a long period of time two human beings were continuously engaged in two-way talk with one another, interrupted only by brief periods of sleep, it would be impossible to predict with certainty what turns such conversation would take, what interchanges would occur, what questions would be asked, what answers would be given.

    It is precisely this unpredictability that makes human conversation something that programmed machinery will never be able to simulate in a manner that renders it indistinguishable from human performance. The twentieth century revision of Descartes's dictum, that matter cannot think, is as follows: all the wizardry of man's technology will never be able to shape matter into truly thinking machines.â€
    (How to Speak How to Listen - Mortimer J. Adler, Epilogue-Pgs. 181-184)

    Another interesting subject is the study of phonetics as a part of language in communicating ideas between humans.

    http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Phonetics

     
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    Interesting Tsaphah, and very true, man refuses to be what we are; preferring the animalistic even, rather than embracing our nature as 'thinking' beings.

    Is that the Douglas Adams from The Hitchhiker's Guide? I love those books.

    Noam Chomsky has some great lectures about language on youtube, very insightful (in parts).
     
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    Hi SingleCell,
    Yes, that is the same Douglas Adams. And now for something entirely different. Well, not entirely. :cool: It does involve language, and being able to understand it. I just remembered that some here may have been too young to remember what happened in 1983.

    Remember back in 1983 when Fun-Demented Christian groups fell for the idiotic B.S., of what was titled “Backmasking� Anybody with a bit of intelligence knew this was bovine excrement. As audio engineer Evan Olcott states, "Actually engineering or planning a phonetic reversal is next to impossible, and even more difficult when trying to design it with words that fit into a song.†And it is obvious that people who made these idiotic claims had never paid a recording studio for the time it would take to make such a recording. Studio time is not cheap.

    Also, in 1985, University of Lethbridge psychologists John Vokey and J. Don Read, conducted a study and concluded, “if backmasking does exist, it is ineffective.†Of course, even with these proofs, and extra examples which proved this to be a hoax, and warnings that people making these claims could be sued for slander in courts of law, the WTB&TS continued to claim it to be true in their District Assembly programs.

    I created the beginning of a song by the group Electric Light Orchestra (ELO) titled “Fire On Highâ€. The intro to the song is unintelligible, but when played in reverse, it says, “The music is reversible but time is not. Turn back. Turn back. Turn back. Turn back.†Even hearing the reversed part, it sounds like a foreign language. It is truly no different than hearing a foreign language. If you don’t know the language, you have no idea what is being said. Remember what Paul said about “speaking in tonguesâ€?

    “There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning, but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me.†(1 Co. 14:10-11 ESV) “If someone is given the gift of speaking in unknown tongues, he should pray also for the gift of knowing what he has said, so that he can tell people afterwards plainly. For if I pray in a language I don’t understand, my spirit is praying, but I don’t know what I am saying.†(1 Co. 14:13-14 LB)

    This brings us to the subject of subliminal messages. What does that mean?
    Subliminal (adj.)
    1873, "below the threshold" (of consciousness or sensation), formed from Latin stem of sublime (Latin limen, genitive liminis) + -al (1)). Apparently a loan-translation of German unter der Schwelle (des Bewusstseins) “beneath the threshold (of consciousness),†from Johann Friedrich Herbart (1776-1841), author of a textbook on psychology published in 1824. The scare over subliminal advertising came in 1957. Related: Subliminally.

    Below the threshold of consciousness = “For the living at least know that they will die! But the dead know nothing ; they don’t even have their memories.†(Ec. 9:5 LB)

    [video=youtube;xfBUVpGvOOs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfBUVpGvOOs[[/video]



     
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    Curl my hair! This took me back down memory lane!
     
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    Very cool Tsaphah! Too bad I hadn't discovered ELO in college, it would have been interesting :)

    I recall 'backmasking' but was about ~4 years old in '83.

    Didn't Led Zeppelin supposedly incorporate this into some of their songs?
     
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    Hi SingleCell,
    Yes, Led Zeppelin was supposedly offering these secret Satanic codes in Stairway to Heaven and other songs on Zoso (LZ#4). Of course those who claimed there were these messages had to tell everyone what the message was saying. This along with all the other idiotic information. The PMRC jumped on board the Crazy Train, along with quite a few of the brothers and sisters.

    That is what lead me to spend about $150 dollars for studio time to refute the information, which I sent to WTB&TS in Brooklyn. They didn’t do a good job of lying about not getting the information, while quoting and identifying information I included in the package. :eek:

    Another thing I did was play these suspected songs to several of the elders. Without identifying the suspect songs or what they were supposed to be saying, I asked them to tell me what was said. They failed on all accounts. They were not in agreement with me in what I did. I knew they wouldn’t so had already sent the information to Bethel. Needless to say, they chastised me after being notified of my deeds. :mad:

    This Fun-Demented Fad faded into the sunset along with the Satellite Reverends.
    Go to What Music Do You Listen to for the song, "Satellite", for the message to the Satellite Rev’s. Quite well done.
     
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    What a scenario Tsaphah!

    In some sense, worrying about something like 'backmasking' is what Paul counseled us to avoid, akin to "Jewish fables".

    To make an issue of these things brings the truth into disrepute, particularly when they are shown to be false.
     
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    well I believe language is a code that Jehovah wrote. but it goes far beyond that..

    therefore be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind in order for you to know and approve of gods perfect holy will!

    gods word is a computer program written for your brain when your brain begins to function correctly
    your body becomes more healthy.

    and the words out of your mouth promote life! still I am at a loss to understand why a righteous man does not live much longer in this life..

    I would expect that with the renewing of the mind that the life of the body would in fact live much longer than a wicked man.

    but that's just not the case we still live about the same average of years.
     

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