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Nimrod as an Animal Hybrid.Statue British Museum. by Jinnvisible posted Jun 5, 2021 at 8:06 AM
Appendix II(a) origin of the thesis. (nature or supernature)
The issue of human genetics as it relates to the dominantion of mankind has expressed itself in a variety of ways modernly. Nazi eugenics, race based chatel slavery, also by opposite methods in the reverse direction. Conquerors like Alexander would encourage marriages into conquorerd races to bind empires. More radical endeavors have also transpired.
The attempt to create a human-ape hybrid in the modern era has been primarily the goal of the worlds major military nuclear powers, for military reasons. Russia, USA, China, have all initiated top secret projects to accomplish it.
Hybridisation by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:21 PM
Nimrod's culture had advanced to the point where Jehovah stated 'anything would become possible for him'. Nimrod was likely engaging in sorcery, it seems from Jehovah's statement that he was also scientifically uwardly mobile. As with modern world powers Nimrod a military tyrrant [with anything possible tech / sorcery] presumably would have acted similarly. When we look into the record through sources such as Alexander Hyslop's "The Two Babylons" and "The Epic of Gilgamesh" we immediately see evidence for Nimrod being the creator of Sasquatch.
The goddess Aruru, she washed her hands,
took a pinch of clay, threw it down in the wild.
In the wild she created Enkidu, the hero,
offspring of silence, knit strong by Ninurta. (EOG)
We know Nimrod was passed off as a god, where we read 'goddess' we can read 'sorceress'. (Ninurta may have been the inspiration for the figure of Nimrod, a "mighty hunter" who is mentioned in association with Kalhu in the Book of Genesis - wikipedia)
Enkidu & Shamhat by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:20 PM
All his body is matted with hair,
he bears long tresses like those of a woman:
the hair of his head grows thickly as barley,
he knows not a people, nor even a country. (EOG)
When the WTBTS compares the flood legend in the Epic of Gilgamesh to the one recorded in the bible the Watchtower writers point out the EOG version is a stylised reduction. Albeit a stylised reduction of an actual event. The WTBTS is verifying EOG has a basis in historical fact.
If the flood is recorded in this way, we may consider the creation of a human animal hybrid as recorded in the EOG is also a stylised reduction of a historical event.
Epiphanius had evidently come to the same substantial conclusion before him. He maintains, from the evidence open to him in his day, that it was "Nimrod, that established the sciences of magic and astronomy..."
- The Two Babylons by Alexander Hyslop
Qualifying himself as the primary suspect for being the instigating creator of the hybrid, having an opposition to Jehovah and by proxy his designs. Jehovah's previous flood intervention, ended human hybridisation. Another 'mankind affecting' intervention occuring so soon after the great deluge would have been based on something very serious (more than just a very tall building). The mentioned Babel tower in scripture was an organising project, as a symbol of intent rather than the target concern. The God of Israel would have had a plethora of ways to disperse the people and foil Nimrod's ambition. To have done so in such a way may suggest more is happening with a God not easily inclined to large scale interceedance.
Gilgamesh Tablet by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:21 PM
The absence of details mentioned of the 'works of Nimrod' is likely to prevent drawing undue attention to it. The Watchtower society acknowleges Nimrod is associated with the Gilgamesh in the Sumerian Epic, thus with the hybrid human Enkidu / Enki.
There is also a poetry in Jehovah 'confusing' humanity at Babel. If Nimrod had achieved human hybridisation, essentially a 'confusing' of the human line, DNA, a confusing of human form and genetics. Jehovah's responce as such, is like for like. Eye for eye. Jehovah's act of confusing them by sudden diversification of language. The aspect of Nimrod being an 'opposing player', an actor in 'opposition' to Jah is thus realised in a very full manner.
Nebuchadnezzar II, King Of The Babylonian by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:23 PM
Nebucadnezzar was the inheritor of the city Nimrod is credited as founding. As the inheritor of Nimrod's legacy Emporer Nebucadnezzar was temporarily turned into a feral human by Jehovah when he fell foul of his judgements.
For a man to be 'brought low', humbled, humiliated there are many ways that can happen. Job, Joseph, Jonah. Struck with illness, beaten and sold as a slave, swallowed by a fish. For Nebucadnezzar to be brought low in this fashion is relevant in a very obvious way, to the case study.
Nebucadnezzar proud and arrogant is the ruler of Babylon, proud of his domain, proud inheritor of Nimrod, the founder of Babylon's legacy. So when Nebucadnezar offends Jehovah with pride in this domain and legacy Does it make perfect sense that Jehovah, having observed Nimrod corrupting humanity through animal hybridisation would excersize justice by temporarily making Nebucadnezzar a feral human ?
Nebucadnezzar by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:23 PM
Immediately what had been said about Nebuchadnezzar was fulfilled. He was driven away from people and ate grass like the ox. His body was drenched with the dew of heaven until his hair grew like the feathers of an eagle and his nails like the claws of a bird.
Consider the passage from Daniel compared with the description of Enkidu in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Coated in hair like the god of animals,
with the gazelles he grazes on grasses,
joining the throng with the game at the water-hole,
his heart delighting with the beasts in the water. (E.O.G)
The punishment on Nebucadnezzar is a match description for the behavior of Enkidu. Nimrod lived over a thousand years before Nebucadnezzar.
When human hybridisation had taken place Jehovah's word records the event in the book of Genesis.
Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
Nephilim by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:23 PM
It would not be possible for men to instigate these events. Angels arriving on earth to mate with humans is not an event that could be set in motion by humans.
Jesus In The Wilderness by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:23 PM
Matthew 6:4 "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "'He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' - [Satan quoting scripture]
Psalm 91:11 For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways.
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose." ― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice
If Nimrod had achieved human hybridisation it could happen again. It is happening now, in the laboritories of the modern world. So whilst Jehovah might consent to explain what had happened with angels, it makes sense that Jehovah would not record a similar Nimrod achievement in his word, it is not only the servants of God who have access to the bible. This is all happening at a very early time in man's history, all within the book of Genesis timeframe. To make a documentary note that it is possible for humans to hybridise with animals at this stage would incite people to attempt to do it, for the next five thousand years. As it is happening now.
The watchtower society's overall rendering of the events at Babel is not unreasonable. It is based on what is written. What is written is not always the full extent of what has occured
John 21:25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.
Sorcery and magic are associated with incantations and verbalisations of enchantments. This, not neccesarily what Paul is talking about here.
2 Corinthians 12:4
How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. (KJ)
inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell (N. I. V.)
In the context paul is speaking he is refering to amazing godly things which are unrevealed to men.
John 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Therfore there are different kinds of impermissable speech. Godly and ungodly. When Moses threw his staff down before pharoah and it transformed into a serpent he wasn't engaging in sorcery. Although when pharoah's men did it they were. The same act by different means. Although something we are being informed of here, that sorcery could inact animal transformation.
Moses & Sorcerers Animals Tranformation by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:23 PM
If Jesus transformed himself into a lion, eagle or bull as per John 21:25 that wouldn't be socrcery anymore than Moses throwing down his staff. Although there might be good reasons not to document such events in scripture
Medicine Wolf by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:23 PM
Refering once again to the culture of north american first nations people it is considered that sorcery can produce such results. That a person engaging in sorcery can transform themselves into an animal. Such a person is called a skin walker. Although many first nations people do not like discussing such things. (unspeakable) Those engaged in such things are considered severly corrupted. It is telling that the indictment of this is coming independantly from the culture and people from where it emerges. The culture of hunting among traditional tribal people often bookends with celebratory dances where participants re-enact hunts dressing up as animals and playing out the events. Whilst these kinds of traditions might be innocent and appropriate in native context its possible to see how this might lead to ceremonial attempts by individuals to invoke transformations. Such people seem to be outcasts within these cultures.
"That magic and idolatry were twin sisters, and came into the
world together, we have abundant evidence."
- The Two Babylons by Alexander Hyslop
Nimrod described as 'a mighty hunter against god' puts him in the frame for the way he engaged in hunting culture to be ungodly. It may be that he had developed a general culture of animal spritism or animal
Alexander Hyslop Book Illustration by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:20 PM
Nimrod—An Insolent Rebel
Doubtless, Nimrod was the ringleader. Genesis chapter 10 introduces him as “a mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah.” (Genesis 10:9) The Scriptures also say that “he made the start in becoming a mighty one in the earth.” (Genesis 10:8) Nimrod was a warrior, a man of violence. He became the first human ruler after the Flood, appointing himself as king. Nimrod was also a builder. The Bible credits him with being the founder of eight cities, including Babel.—Genesis 10:10-12. - WBTS
Most of what is attributed to Nimrod is built out of extra biblical and circumstancial evidence, in his case it makes alot of sense. When people were dispersed at Babel they would have taken the thoughts and attitudes from Babel and continued expressing that in every distinct language and culture. Nimrod is credited with the origins of polytheism, emporer god worship which are the basis of religious belief systems from Hinudism to Greek and Roman systems. Whilst these are conclusions derived from logic, they dont receive much if any theological argument. As well as Gigamesh, Nimrod is associated with Maroduc or Marduc, the god, among others.
After the flood in Nimrod's time people were begining to multiply again although wild animals were multiplying much more quickly, it may be in part due to his hunting prowess and ability to subdue dangerous animals and offer protection that he consolidated his protectorate. Sometimes nimrod is associated with beastiality and incest also. As much as the greek scriptures speak of 'anti christ' Nimrod has a weird distinction of appearing as 'anti Jehovah'. As much as we might ask why would he create a hybrid human we could ask similar questions of scientific world powers today yet it has been pursued. For Nimrod pursute of human hybridisation would have been an act of shear fear inspiring power. All tyrants desire such things. As much as creating a new being he would have been creating the ausipce of himself as 'Creator of beings'. Nimrod as the source of the mystery religions of the world through the several empires of man, in his own day would have compounded his legend by actually creating a new being. This would actually explain why he is such an influencial character considered the original source of so many worshiped Gods of the ancient world such as Osris, Marduk ect. The dispersal at Babel eplains the mechanism of how Nimrod became the original source for the various gods of the ancient world. An act such as creating 'a being' lights a fire under it in his day. The first sumerian epic indicts him as actually doing it.
Depictions Of Nimrod As Hybrid Deity by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:20 PM
The fact that half human hybrids exist today in the laboritories of the world and the wild makes attempt at understanding neccesary. The fact that Nimrod is asscosiated the first mention of a hybrid human in the first ancient legend, much referenced by the WTBTS puts him in the frame.
Appendix II(b) "woo" (nature or supernature)
Genesis 1:25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Human Animal hybridisation, as if nothing is beyond the reach of mans technological capability.
Senate Kills Legislation To Prohibit Human-Animal Chimeras’ by Jinnvisible posted Jun 8, 2021 at 6:50 PM
Within days of the U.S. Senate failing prevent the creation of animal human creatures the newspapers print strange mock editions of their publications satirising hybrids for the sake of a Netflix series.
USA Today June 4th 2021 by Jinnvisible posted Jun 8, 2021 at 6:41 PM
The proximity of timing between the failures of the Senate and the newspaper editions obviously serves as promotion for Netflix. It begs the question of coordination.
Sasquatch may be the result of man's unbridaled ambitions at an earlier point in history when possibilities were about to become limitless.
If a living being is brought into existance in contravenance to natural and moral laws, unanticipated outcomes may result. Possibly in contravenance of natural law. Supernature. Heterosis. Observable and recognisable effects during reported encounters. There are apparent unusual abilities and attributes described and observered by those having accidental cryptid proximity, by field researchers and habituators. Also attributes fitting the catagory of general characteristics.
The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
The main difficulty, the inherent difficulty of a case study like this or any serious consideration of the subject is continually present.
With so much going on it doesn't make sense there isnt better physical, photographic and subject evidence, yet there seems to be far too much going on, for an imaginary figment.
One of the benefits of Charles Taze Russell's efforts and the Watchtower generally is the ability to bring clarity. As a process over time and the accumulation of such a body of work, so many accomplishments it tends toward being inclined to dismiss or be dismissive of things that are not easily explainable.
So it's interesting to see how relaxed the apostle Paul is in giving an account of a supernatural event he cannot fully explain.
2 Corinthians 12:1-4 I have to boast. It is not beneficial; but I shall pass on to supernatural visions and revelations of the Lord. I know a man in union with Christ who, fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know; God knows—was caught away as such to the third heaven.
Paul repeats himself within the same paragraph.
3 Yes, I know such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body, I do not know
Consider what Paul is saying in context of the case study.
He thinks he may have had an 'out of body' experience but he isn't really certain. He knows it happened. He knows he was in the spirit realm. He is describing the spirit realm in terms of adjuncts.
Revelation 14: 6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven,
John 14:-5 3 Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for YOU, I am coming again and will receive YOU home to myself, that where I am YOU also may be. And where I am going YOU know the way.” Thomas said to him: “Lord,* we do not know where you are going. How do we know the way?”
The Watchtower being a 'clarifying entity' makes Sasquatch an unlikely target for investigation.
A hybrid being whose existence is dependant on traversing natural law, Jehovah's law ? A first nation's people's native entity. If Jehovah had never mentioned the Nephilim in his word and some evidence emerged of their existence the watchtower would likely be in serious conniption and dismissal or flatly ignore it. That Jehovah made allowance of explanation allows a kind of indolent priviledge, cavalier certitude.
When the apostles met a man who performed miracles in Jesus name they had a certain reaction to it. If the watchtower released a tract publication called 'Miracles' it would likely attempt to describe how walking into bethel is the best path to walking on water. If Cain receives supernatural protection from Jehovah for work done then what was the work ?
Is it possible that a being that isn't meant to exist, can do things beings are not supposed to do ? A being whose very existence is founded on transgressing laws of nature might act outside of the laws of nature ?
This is Sasquatch. This explains the deficit of tangibility. In this case study we are looking through the lens of two cultures. We look through the first nations culture which describes a being with one foot in this world and another foot in the spirit realm. The modern industrial culture might conceive it as futurism, an inter dimensional capacity. We also have Paul whose self imposed censorship only reached as far as refusing to say what he heard in another realm. Paul tells us he was there. He doesn't know how, whether physically or not.
We mark history with events. The parting of the red sea. The birth of Christ. The invention of the printing press. Wars. Inventions. Achievements. Discoveries. There are many things we have not known or discovered during recorded history, and also many things which were occurring whilst remaining undiscovered to mankind. Electricity existed when pharaoh was storing grain, radio waves were blasting through the galaxy when Noah was on the ark. They just were not observed or connected. Through that time, and before, at Nimrod's inclination, according to this case study we have also been sharing the planet with what might be described anecdotally as a 'cursed' line of humanity. A cursed line with a surreptitious Cain like blessing. A self aware abomination which never asked to be brought into existence and can easily conceal itself from humanity.
Native aboriginal first nations people with limited farming who rely on hunting migrating animals and foraging have their survival dependant on noticing and recognising subtleties and changes in nature. The first frost that brings the end of the mushroom foraging season, rain which creates watering holes for deer. These people living in such ways had neither the genetic expertise of Dr Melba Ketchum or the bible expertise of Charlse Taze Russell. Although awareness of Sasquatch.
Modern people of the modern industrial era, are often limited by presumption subject to retrospect. i.e. If it exists, we would know by now.
Modern Bible believers have presumption of privileged perspective. i.e. If it existed God would have told us.
Paul said he did not know...
He did not know in what manner he passed into another realm. He did not know whether he was there physically or not.
The physical realm; does not have only positive beings in it.
The spirit realm; does not have only positive beings in it.
The transience of beings from one realm to the other has happened both in accordance, and against God's will.
Bible adherents are restricted to communicate with the spirit realm in a very limited way. Prayer.
There are no written limitations of God's law to prevent beings passing from the physical realm into the spirit realm. Rather there is an assumed unavailability of access.
Is there anything actually written in God's word determining nothing can walk from the physical realm into the spiritual realm ?
If something could walk from the physical realm into the spirit realm might it be a being that is itself made up of two unnaturally fused temporal realms ?
Why cant we find Sasquatch ?
Forced hybridisation between similar yet incompatible types may produce a wider array of characteristics and attributes than might be typically be seen in a singular kind or species. This certainly seems to be the case with Sasquatch. There exists a lot of art depicting them although the eye witness accounts are usually more varied than what artists imaginations have realised. Ranging from human looking, to more ape like in appearance, Individuals including those with conical head shapes and sagittal crests, with a huge variety of colour, size and body types. Although there is a standard pop culture idea of what a bigfoot looks like, the reality of it as a hybrid-human line means the atypical appearances of them adds to confusion and difficulty of making reports, and making sense of encounters for the unexpecting. There have been assertions of four basic types referred accordingly type 1, type 2, type 3, type 4. This assertion doesn't seem to have stuck and is rarely referred to. It may be that they fall loosely into the ape subspecies in appearance with massive outlier and cross human characteristics.
Jake by Jinnvisible posted Jun 12, 2021 at 1:48 PM
Todd Standing's "Jake"
Strength, Speed & Movement.
The curse word was edited out of this clip at first, then restored, as it is actually relevant to the examination of the footage. The man is speaking very softly to himself [apparently] so its quiet.
The figure that walks from the treeline across the field covers alot of ground very quickly and smoothly. The lack of bobbing motion when walking is a commonly observed trait. This has been atributted to the 'mid tarsal break' identified by Dr Jeff Meldrum the anatomy professor at Idaho State University. From the examination of casts, determining the foot bending in the middle rather than at the ball. This with the longer femur bone and inter memberal index creating an unusual pulling motion.
The walking gait has the lower part of the leg raise at 90 degrees, a human with typical proportions doesnt raise thier lower leg nearly that high.
These attributes create a forward gliding motion.
Not all people have the same spatial sense or ability to gauge, speed, size, distance. For those who do, it is clear this figure is covering a lot of distance very quickly with ease.
Something else of interest here is when the man speaks the figure stops immediately as if suddenly aware of a possible presence before continuing. Yet the figure seems too far away to have heard the man speaking. If bioelectric awareness is a trait then there may be an ability somewhat like a shark. If it is possible for them to detect changes in the environment such as happens when this man speaks, it would be possible for an individual to remove themselves quickly from an area that was being approached before those encroaching came into proximity, having an obvious stealth effect. This may be based on 'change' or interuption to the electric magnetic spectrum as these creatures are not always aware when humans are present [if they are still], such as in a hunters hide. Todd Standing claims his photographic success is down to a body electric dampening mesh in a hunters gillie suit. Interaction with the natural electro magnetic spectrum and manipulation of it is something requiring specific consideration in regard to these entities. .
Ghillie Suit by Jinnvisible posted Jun 12, 2021 at 11:25 PM
Considering closely Jehovah's comments regarding the tower and in how many ways Jehovah's speech was true.
The tower was an organising project to build so high to have its 'top in the heavens'.
i.e. to encroach into God's area.
The ambitions for the tallness of the tower may have connotations of the Flood so fresh at that time in collective human memory. The ambition for its height, insinuatingly high enough to outreach rising waters, may have also served as an accusation of liar toward Jehovah who promised never to flood the earth again.
Whilst a tower could never be built high enough to actually encroach on Jehovah's realm in the heavens, the acompanying achievements in the creation of 'Enkidu' (E.O.G) would equate with an actual encroachment a literal trespass into the realm. This has direct encroach upon Jehovah's realm wheras the tower is only an auspice, as per Jehovah's concern that all seemingly impossible things were becoming well within the reach of Nimrod's ambition.
Therefore characteristic smoothness of gait has a poetry of motion and meaning in traversing realm,
God knows—was caught away as such to the third heaven.
At variance. Numerous reports of them being comfortable on all fours. Generally reported to being extremely fast and not so much lumbering as per folklore. Including reports of keeping up in pursuit with trail bicycles and even horses. Reports of them swimming through bodys of water mainly at night. (Vancouver Island)
The strength of these creatures unlike speed is according to the common lore. A naked human does not survive very well in anything but warm temperate climate. These creatures apparently exist in extreme environments freezing and snow covered terrain to tropical jungles. The hybridisation effects which causes the vigored size may be responsible for the immense strength of constitution. A territorial marker is to uproot a small tree and plant in back in the ground with the rootball sticking up. Their strength would have to be similar to some instances of the nazarite Samson. Reported as throwing rocks and boulders with high accuracy. Bluff charging is also a common report such as apes perform.
Behaviors and temperament.
Unpredictable.Ranges from shy, timid, sensitive, curious, demuring to rampaging, violent, aggressive, murderous, canabal. Behavioral names issued by first nations tribes reflect. 'Elder brother', 'Forest brother', 'Forest devil', 'Sly canabal'. Ect. First nations and 1800's newspaper reports as child stealers, abductors of women. 411 project suggest massive numbers of human abductions and fatalities. People who have ongoing exchanges, interactions, giftings are termed 'experiencers' or 'habituators' this group typically does not attempt to prove existence to an 'outside world' any more than first nations people do.
Dr Melba Ketchum who mapped the sasquatch genome was taken by habituators to observe a clan of five sasquatch which she did as her first occurrence of observing them recounted in this audio conversation.
Rich Germeau former S.W.A.T. Law enforcement officer was a DNA contributor to the genome project having encountered Sasquatch a number of times. He considers all habituators odd, eccentric, strange people.
Reports of sasquatch helping and even saving people are rare, few and far between but they certainly exist and are compelling. Accounts of lost young children where a police officer was alerted by a high loud whistling cry and went to investigate to find the lost child describing 'the big hairy man helped me'. Accounts of freeing stuck people from collapsed log piles and kids stuck in swampland. Its often suggested that they are worryingly fascinated by the play of human children yet likely more sympathetic to their distress in some cases. A human element makes all this easily possible. Dolphins, dog's and apes all attempt to help or save humans at times. The idea that a half human primate could not seems unlikely. Sasquatch are likely to form views on humans based mainly on interactions and observance of hunters.
Sasquatch, based on reports seem to have a unique relationship with vibrational fields reaching from low ultra sound through the electro magnetic light spectrum.
Ape like whoops, Siren like howls, High pitched whistles.
Based on Scott Nelson's work on the Sierra sounds what is termed 'samurai chatter' morphology, language form.
Apes have a massive propensity for remembering sequences and mimicry. This has led to many - difficult to make sense of – reports. Apparently mimicry beyond parrot like abilities, virtually any sound including mechanical electronic sounds. Hunters deep in the forest have reported hearing what sounds like 300 pound owls hooting, forklift trucks maneuvering, even singing. People in rural areas who call their pets in late every night have heard their pets being called in deep voices from wood lines.
Electro Magnetic fields.
Nature often 'goes quiet' in vicinity of the cryptid. Sometimes batteries drain at speed. Electric equipment malfunctions. People feel sick or nauseous. Manipulation of electro-magnetic radiation of the light spectrum to the extent as to unissue themselves & 'mindspeak' are reported. Sasquatch are also associated with 'forest lights'. These last few effects are also termed the 'woo' and considered a possible supernatural element. Even if absent these, by the reports alone serve to make the creature less credible to understanding, invisible by means of disbelief.
If hybrid vigor is accepted by science we are confessing that interbreeding 'makes giants'.
The scientific world accepts this and has a scientific term for it 'Heterosis'.
If interbreeding 'makes giants', what derivative effects might be unlocked by hybridisation of humans ? Whatever the answer is, the worlds military nuclear powers have sought to find out.
Apendix III; Futher interest; notes, comments.
Heavenly hybrids; The four living creatures.
The WTBTS dealings with the four ornamental hybrid guards of Jehovah's throne shows how badly a complex entity can be rendered explanation of.
Consider how whenever these are mentioned in scripture they are always referred to as 'living', It is almost as if it were anticipated that there would be an attempt to render these as being exclusively symbolic representations. [clue] So, constantly scriptures says 'living'. These beings speak individually in Revelation. Constantly and continually they are referred to as 'living'.
Revelation 15;7 And one of the four living creatures gave the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives for ever and ever;
Animal type hybrid forms existing in the heavens present all kinds of issues for reductionist logic.
The watchtower in fact refuses to take Jehovah's word for it. Referring to what these must be representations of. In their accompanying article they describe these creatures as pictures Jehovah has drawn to explain like a father does to a child !
One insinuation is that because Ezekiel states they 'look like four living creatures' that they are not really alive, i.e. they just look like they are alive. This is very obviously untenable by the fact Jehovah constantly refers to them in his word as 'living creatures' not ceasing this in each description. So it wasn't only that they 'looked alive' to Ezekiel, it was that they looked like other living creatures he knows of.
When Ezekiel says he saw in a vision 'what looked like' four living creatures the WTBTS idiot savant attempts to take full advantage. Well the four living creatures are not a 'bull', 'eagle'..... ect because those are things that live on earth. They have the form of those creatures. So Ezekiel says they 'look like them'. The Watchtower savant uses this to imply, insinuate and dissipate understanding not in order to bring clarity, rather to deflect any closer attention.
The Four Living Creatures by Jinnvisible posted Jun 14, 2021 at 2:19 PM
Furthermore the WTBTS also uses the repulsive looking Nimrod hybrid as an inset picture when describing the four living creatures. [This is really telling.] Obviously the watchtower savant is aware Nimrod is an enemy of Jehovah. However the Nimrod animal hybrid pictures and statues whilst ugly and weird are unusual; to a similar degree. For instance the Sphynx in Egypt is not as hideous looking as the Nimrod statues. Its pure weirdness that the WT is using some representation of God's enemy to depict God's own creatures. Its the equivalent of saying 'Weird....like those things over there'... level insight. Obviously any animal hybridisation associated with Nimrod is spurious so by using that its the same insinuation. The WTBTS idiot savant 'does not like the four living creatures', 'they should be something else', 'they're like Nimrod'.
The Watchtower does touch on understanding, its not deep or insightful. It is as much obfuscation as explanation. For instance the angels are winged. It is not necessary for us to go into conniption fits about why is there aerodynamics in the spirit realm. It doesn't have to be air. Air in fact is probably the derivative of whatever the metaphysical spirit equivalent is. The Revelations references 'stones something like like jasper' Flagstones 'something like sapphire' these existed before their counterparts in the physical realm. They are metaphysical substances.
In brief the four living creature are 'ornamental guards'. Jehovah doesn't really need guards so that is why they are living ornaments because of Jehovah's greatness. They are symbols but living characterisations of Jehovah. There are reasons for their mutable forms and differences from Ezekiel to Revelation which are not pertinent to this case study. Would it seem right to say 'Angels don't have real wings because there is no real air in heaven ?' or "Angels don't have real wings, Jehovah is just making children's pictures for us."
When Jehovah has gone to the extent of describing something as 'living' every time he mentions it, to then suggest it is something other is about as stupidly bloody-minded as it is possible to be.
If anyone has one,.... it is likely the WTBTS that has a symbolic bulls head.
Steve Isdahl is a professional hunt guide. He makes a living taking people into wild spaces to hunt game. It goes completely against Mr Isdahl's financial and buisness interests to talk on this subject.
He is another person who has witnessed this phenomina and his channel was started to give support to traumatised victims bulied by the insensitive and raise awareness of a public safety issue. [He does curse a little bit.] He read emails of others experiences.
His clips are worth watching with zero audio for the scenery alone.
How to Hunt Channel. 6 million views a month.
The channel was started to promote hunting tutorials. There is an irony with regard to Nimrod as to how disproportionately hunters experience this to others generally. Experiences often stop hunters pursuing game for life.
Dr Melba Ketchum.
Dr Ketchum is a highly competent scientist, much maligned.
(It was at Dr Ketchum's suggestion I considered Edgar Rice Burroughs for literary analogue, after presenting the research on Pierre Boulle)
Helping Hand by Jinnvisible posted Jun 6, 2021 at 2:21 PM
Dance Tradition by Jinnvisible posted Jun 16, 2021 at 9:49 AM
Traditional Costume by Jinnvisible posted Jun 16, 2021 at 9:48 AM
Beasts-of-the-Pagan-Wild-Man-Ritual by Jinnvisible posted Jun 16, 2021 at 9:50 AM
Dance by Jinnvisible posted Jun 16, 2021 at 9:49 AM
The strange "Babugeri" traditional dance costumes of Bulgaria. The Region has wildmen legends which are mixed up with other mythical influences including Greecian 'Dionesian' influences. Bulgaria as a territory has 35 % forest cover including the Balkan mountains. Obviously nothing living outside of the legal territorial claims of the nations would even recognise national borders so describing forrest cover and mountain ranges in terms of 'nations' could in itself be misleading. Enkidu the wildman of the epic of gilgamesh is described as knowing no 'people / nation'.
The appearance of these costumes alone make mention applicable. Clearly an attempt to extend height of a hairy biped. The traditional dances associated with these costumes end in some kind of mock marriage ceremony which may speak to the hybridisation aspect of the overarching subject. There are other aspect of the traditions which speak to the matter although mixed up with a variety of myth, legend, traditions.
The trite mass media's typical inability to properly render the subject matter or render it in a Disney type product or a passing joke is on full display in these clips. Interesting to note the actual recognised primatologists and natural world experts are much less flippant.
Signs by Jinnvisible posted Jun 16, 2021 at 10:01 AM
In fact this specific cryptid subject here is shown to be somewhat distinct from even other well know cryptozoological topics. Whilst indigenous native cultures who have relied more directly on understanding of the natural wold for survival are not nearly so flippantly dismissive. The issue for the discerning observer is to be able to make the distinction between the subject matter and the way it is treated. Whether there is an aspect of being led into a frame of mind through which to consider the matter. If the scientific experts and the native indigenous people are actually closer in their mindset toward the cryptid than mass news media journalists this alone should cause pause for thought.
People who work in media whether they be athletes, actors, mountaineers, models ect may be only slightly more likely to come into relevant natural environments than typical occupations. However they are much more likely by several factors to gain media exposure for any experience they gain.
Cave Painting by Jinnvisible posted Jun 16, 2021 at 10:05 AM
This means understanding is being molded by these media outlets not only for the geopolitical and religionist understanding of the world, but in all things, including things very difficult to comprehend..
The hunter who encountered a sasquatch in this report is not unlike many others in some regards. Where this report is particularly interesting is his description of the encounter. Although he is not acutely aware of it, he immediately begins interacting with the sasquatch on a human level. When he realises it recognises what a gun is he holds up his hands in a gesture you would offer to a worried human to show you mean no harm. He is not stopping to think about why he would do this to what is ostenciably likey to be some kind of animal. He doesn't have time to think because he wasn't expecting the encounter. The fact the sasquatch continued its chewing shows he hadn't disturbed or shocked it out of its senses. Having a level of reciprical engagement seems to have allowed the hunter to distinguish his feelings of fear of threat or attack from feelings of sickening inappropriateness.
In summery Robert reacts in a way that fulfils what might happen if a person engaged with a hybrid human.
An immediate engagement on a intellectual level of common understanding. Whilst having a sense that it shouldn't exist. This all happening without any preconception he is interacting with a hybrid.
Robert from Georgia is a prime example of a person whose distinct regional accent (rural south) and a traditional chistendomite background would likely marginalise him in mass media yet obviously exist as superficial result of living and growing up in reginal areas proximate to such encounters.
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