This sounds quite interesting, thank you. Must look into this further to reply.

 

Yes, it is interesting, and he may be right. But it is the way of presenting things, that is shocking. Just as if he wanted to show that he is more intelligent than the others. This post could have been very interesting, it started the wrong way. But certainly we can forget this start-up, and discuss as reasonable people of this interesting subject.

 

Oh, I liked your post. I'd buy you lunch if I could.

No, actually I'm a pretty mellow guy, and I have more friends than I can count. Yesterday I was at the circuit one day blather session. I never got a chance to leave my seat area. I had a dozen friends make their way to my seat. I would have gone to see others, but alas the only time I had was a quick dart to the boys room before the next bs session. I bet you'd like me too.

Why do I post this way? Too much experience. I've made every kind of effort you can imagine and come back the the same thing as Jesus and his apostles did. Just lay it on the line and tell the truth first. You get some shock value. Yes it's true. But that is what caused Peter's listeners to be 'cut to the heart' in the very account we are discussing. They needed a good clobbering.

My perspective is that JWs and the WT organization has paraded itself around for 100 plus years as... how did you put it "more intelligent than the others." I liked that part.

Such being the case, they are a lot like the Jews of the first century, described by Jesus when he talked about the two individuals, the one who said "Lord I thank thee that I am not like this peasant here, for I am special" being the Jews and in my opinion, like JWs today. This is in fact a discussion I had with Ray Franz on one occasion.

Most of the posters here I find offensive. They feel they are better than everybody else because they are associated with the watchtower. Never mind that the charter here takes a poop on watchtower's primary doctrine of 1914, a doctrine without which the WTBTS would cease to exist. Now that is hypocrisy,

So, yes, I was offensive to some degree. But that's how I see this board. Offensive.

Remember, I had no interest here. One of you faithful dubs here slid in over to Jehovahswitnessdiscussion and fished for posters. So I decided to humor myself and followed the bread crumbs.

If you really don't want to hear what I'm going to say, then tune me out. Or have whassisface ban me some more.

Next banning, I'm gone. No coming back. And when I get on over to JWD I'll be pooping on you there. No more fishie fishie...

And frankly, yes I do know a few things. And I am humbly willing to share them, but if I get the better-then-thous in the face, then I pull out the big stick. JW has gone door to door for 100 years all holy holy, and they haven't even the start of the Christian story right.

Makes me sick to think of the elderly woman I called on years ago, and I began to tell her about Jesus, and she said "I have faith that Jesus is coming" and I filled her ears with WT apostasy about how Jesus is not coming, how he's already here as much as he's ever going to come... Invisibly. Makes me sick. She had the Lords message and faith, and I was destroying it with watchtowerism.

Back to Pentecost. Get out the Jewish calendar. Lookup the months, Iyar 25 through Sivan 6 Christ's death, resurrection, his 40 days, the week prior to Pentecost, and then Pentecost.

There's no mistake. The calendar does not lie.

 

Hi Apocalypse:

I don't know when or where I called you any names. I just knew from previous posts that this would be how you would answer. It is almost exactly what I expected from you. You claim to be the bearer of truth and yet all you spout is this drivel. I enjoy a good discussion even when I don't agree with a persons point of view but you seem to just like to put people down to make yourself feel better. If you would actually read what I write you would know that I am not an apologist for the Watchtower. I have made a sincere study of God's Word the focus of my life. I think that I have a pretty good feel for God's Word and it's meaning. I rarely, if ever stoop to put downs or insulting expressions and when I do, on that rare occasion do so, I usually apologize later.

I would like to know your inside scoop on the alleged 120 gathered at Pentecost but if it is too much for me to handle in my beedie little brain maybe it's good that you are being coy.

Frank

 

Frank, I thought we were getting along well. I highlighted in red. I will give you enough credit that I don't have to explain why.

I do not think, for a second, that this is about brains, "beedie little" or otherwise. It's about attitude.

I was never able to see things in the past that now seem as plain as day. Why? Because I had inbred in me, by my association with watchtower, the attitude that we knew it all. And what I see from those who are still trapped in that thinking is the same know it all attitude that prevents one from opening up to possibilities.

The 120 in the upper room never happened. If you try to prove it, you will fail. God's word stands tall. I have no inside scoop. What I know is found right there in the Scriptures. The only people mentioned by name in any upper room were the 11 and a few others, it was brief. That's what the bible says and logic backs up God's word.

I have already posted enough for anyone to put the pieces together. For you to ask this when I have already posted so much means you cannot be bothered to read. That's nothing to do with brains. That attitude. And that's why I am so blunt.

 

Pull up a Jewish calendar. Mark the events on the calendar.

1) Passover/Last Supper
2) Jesus' death
3) Jesus resurrection
4) Jesus seen by Apostles 40 days
5) Jesus' ascension/gives promise
6) Apostles and a few others in upper room
7) Appointment of Judas' replacement
8) Pentcost, the 50th day from Passover

Start from Iyar 25 and work to Sivan 6
Write on the calendar at event 5) the last thing Luke wrote in his letter by his own name.

 

Brother Apocalypse,

Please, can you show Christian polity, ask pardon of these few here who mean you no lasting harm,...and seek peace with all men..PLEASE?

You have made an interesting observation; fine. But, if we exalt ourselves above one another, of what profit is it?

Seek the brotherhood, and let us take a look at your observation, and then we will be able to continue on to another point..and then, another....and....so on.

Will you, in Jesus' name? Thank you. Let your good example furnish your best answer.

 

Thanks single.
Yes, but in a different way than you have come to think of it. I don't want to post that yet. Can you follow along till it arises? Thanks

 

I might add, about myself. I have posted many things here, and some are quite objectionable, and some are, it is a fact...speculative, even...but I say that when I do.

New ideas and concepts are foretold for scriptures, prophecy, and true knowledge. So, your point may actually be... a re-discovery. For this, some readers here are eager to research, as I am.

Thankfully, this site is up and running by JW's who still attend, as you are. But their open-mindedness is a great plus for all, as truth can be considered without restraint or fear of DF'ing ...mostly.

So, anyhow, there are many ideas from various writers being considered here. I don't know if that is true on the site you write on?

If so, I wish to come visit that one too,and share some of my observations.

May I ?

 

Sure John.S. That's a fine post.

 

1 Pet. 4:10 And I thank you for yours. All knowledge and ability belongs to Christ, as you know. We are being parceled a little for each one, so it does well for us to listen to one another.

Now, you have our interest, and now...your humble reply garners our respect. Thank you.

 

josh
First, I'd like to mention something with regard to the above "talking down to others" etc. Jehovahs Witnesses, and I am a practicing member for half a century until this day, talk down to others as a matter of course, and I have found much the same attitude here.

Jehovahs Witnesses are not better than everyone else, and I will not tolerate anyone one of them telling me that they are. As far as survival goes, the Watchtower, and the same thought is advocated here, teaches that we cannot experience salvation without the WTS and its governing body. I find that disgusting, especially since the Scriptural evidence demonstrates in an unequalled manner that WTS and its GB are teaching the same false dogma as the rest of Christendom.

As for your "theory" comment. Luke says flat out that the Apostles were in the Temple from the Ascension forward, blessing God. This is not a theory.... it's the Bible. For you to suggest that what Luke wrote is a "theory" is from the Devil.

When I look up the board, I see some who ask a question and seem open to discuss. I also see JWs looking down their nose with contempt.

Many have discussed the idea of talking out things calmly with respect etc. I like that idea. Think it'll work here?

 

My vote is, 'yes'

 

I would like to ask some more time to consider this Pentecost/120 subject. I am putting in our garden and have worked really hard the last 3 days. So I have a weary-fever right now. But I do believe this is a ground-shaking subject possibly.

I want time to sleep on it, and when I feel better in the a.m. ..I will comment , for my 2-bits worth. I really think we should not rush this topic like a football play.