The Antichrist!

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    This is a much watch video! The understanding that Dan 2 and Dan 7 are mirrors of each other goes back 2000 years. As well the understanding of the iron and fearsome beast being Rome just as long!

    I won't give away the identity of the small horn/Antichrist because the video is very well done! A must watch...

    [video=youtube;SCcwb1iUZI0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCcwb1iUZI0[/video]
     
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    Hi Joshua:

    Wow, I watched the whole thing. These guys are living in the past and don't have a clue.

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    That's interesting because I was watching you and you were only on the thread for 17 minutes yet the video is an hour long. As Admins we can see exactly how long someone is in each thread.

    So a panel of several religious scholars quoting exact scriptural references and exact historical events don't have a clue yet you think you know better?

    They even quoted scholars from 200CE that spoke of Rome being the iron and fourth beast yet you know better?

    I doubt you even got to where they discussed the identity of the Antichrist.

    I pray for the day Jehovah opens you're eyes.
     
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    Hi Joshua:

    Either your system is flawed or you are not telling the truth because I watched it from the beginning all the way through the start of the 1260 years in 5 something and ending in 1798 and somebody that had to do with Napoleon giving the sword stroke to the pope and exiling him to France to the end when it said continued. It was 53 minutes and change if I remember correctly. Don't know what your game is but that is such crap on that video. A bunch of trinitarian theologians trained in the finest schools with all their fancy Phd's and Phi the's etc. etc. I was waiting for them to say the three horns humiliated were the Dutch, Portuguese and the Spanish fleets by the british. They mentioned little about the feet except that the Roman Empire simply faded away. Then who does the stone crush then? It was pure idiocy.

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    So you did watch it.

    They talk about the death stroke, but don't discuss the healed death stroke. The healed death stroke was in 1929 with the Lateran Treaty.

    Which means it is still the Holy Roman empire that God's kingdom/stone cut out without hands destroys, it's just after the healing.

    It doesn't matter, you'll still hold on to your fairy tale about the stone being the 8th king even though it stands for ever.

    Again, Jehovah willing he will open your eyes one day.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I do not believe their understanding of the 1260 days, nor do I believe the death stroke was in 1798, I believe the death stroke was to the beast, Rome in 538. As well I believe the 1260 days will simply be days not years, but I agree 100% with them on the identity of the beasts, horns and elements.
     
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    Hi Joshua:

    Yes, I did watch it, and I listened to most of it too. I was watching the U.S. Open with the sound off but I may have missed a part or two while I was watching a great shot by Marray or the fellow from Brazil, but I watched the whole thing. The lateran treaty does not have anything to do with Daniel 2 or 7. If you wish to believe that go ahead and believe that. When you see the feet of the image destroyed by your very eyes on the news reports you will know that the lateran treaty has nothing to do with anything but ancient Catholic history. The Catholic Church has never been so irrelevent as now.

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    Hi Joshua:

    You are entitled to believe whatever you want. Does not make it true though, necessarily.

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    Do you believe anything is prophetic with the upcoming super blood moon?
     
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    Hi Joshua:

    There are going to be many significant things that happen both before and after the Blood Moon. September 16 will be 40 years since the Watchtower went into their chronological wilderness when they last predicted the end of the 6,000 years on the last day of Elul in 1975. Also, I think the Image of Daniel 2 goes down in a couple days perhaps. We don't know for sure until it happens because we are not prophesying in Jehovah's name but simply trying to perceive the already prophesied scriptures. The Watchtower should have never given up, but they did because of all the murmurers who felt it was impossible to predict the day. They lacked faith in Jehovah's ability to inspire them to understand. They have not published anything worth anything when it comes to understanding prophecy because they have no inspiration from the Holy Spirit. But, the good news is they are released from their wilderness penalty on Tishri 1 this year. When they do get released there will be a flurry of activity after Daniel 2's image goes down. Watch and see brother! If not we will keep on trying, and won't give up! Don't you give up either. Wrong or right keep on trying.

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    More detail, I'm interested in hearing more.

    Then what's before and after? We're so close now, share it... Details...
     
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    Josh with the greatest amount of respect...their conclusion doesn't makes sense.
    they are thinking that the last remaining powers are somehow still in Europe....there for the little horn comes up somewhere in Europe.

    Europe was conquered by the Anglo American Powers....twice......thus the creation of the iron and clay feet....that's where the little horn will come from...and it seems to be that little horn can only be the UN.

    the UN will have all the characteristics that they described....and quiet likely but how can we know at this stage ..but it's likely the Catholic Church will be the religion of the UN that we will have to follow....I mean she is certainly bowing down to the UN to fit the bill isn't she ...but again we will have to see how that one works out....

    Is this what you meant in a earlier post that the eighth King was already here?

    thinking :)
     
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    Thinking, thank you for the response...

    We should keep in mind that most scholars believe the iron in the image of Dan 2 was Rome, as well along with the fourth beast of Dan 7.

    Now the very next entity that combines itself with Rome is the Holy See. It is a nation just like the others and carries all the descriptions of the prophecy. It speaks blasphemy by claiming to forgive sins. Remember this was what the Jews called Jesus when they were about to stone him for blasphemy when forgiving the sins of the paralyzed man.

    The Holy See is of course fragile being very small. As well it represents the ideas of Babylon with its beliefs and is the very tool Satan has used to create a one world government and religion, just like at the tower. That Holy See completely annihilated three blood lines/nations...Etc

    You bet the south has won many battles against the north. If you read the last two battles before the kotn hurls denunciations in Dan 11 you will see this.

    Dan 11:25 “And he will muster his power and his heart against the king of the south with a large army, and the king of the south will prepare himself for the war with an exceedingly large and mighty army. And he will not stand, because they will plot schemes against him."

    Dan 11:29 "At the time appointed he will return and come against the south. But this time will not be as it was before, 30 for the ships of Kit′tim will come against him, and he will be humbled."

    These last two battles between the kotn and the kots ends with the south's victory. These two battles were the first and second world wars.

    The age old battle was between Anglo-America/Egypt/KOTS and the KOTN/Holy Roman Empire.

    The first beast in Rev 13 must be the same nations as they always have been, which means Europe. Anglo-America/Egypt isn't part of the statue, because the kotn is what survives intact and wars with Christ in the end, and it gains victory over the south/Anglo-America just before the end. So you see, Anglo-America can not be any part of the iron or clay, because they wont be the ones to battle Christ in the end, it will be the Oligarchy one world order...

    You see, the reason the Holy Roman empire/iron clay/fourth beast, little horn is seen in existence all the way down till Gods kingdom is cut out like a stone that smashes the image of Dan 2 is because in Rev 13 it tells us the death stroke is healed.

    John tells us the 7th king only lasts a little while. (Rev 17) And that was about 538CE when the Holy Roman empire went down. Then that 7th head/kingdom was reborn again in 1929 when Italy and the Holy See signed the Lateran Treaty, bringing about the healed death stroke, and by that very action of being healed the Holy Roman empire became the 8th king at that moment in 1929 just by being healed.

    Now since Dan 2 and Dan 7 are mirrors of each other, so is Rev 13 a mirror of the other two. That means the second beast in Rev 13 is the iron clay=fourth beast little horn=Holy Roman empire.

    Dan 2, Dan 7 and Rev 13 talk about all the same entities, it's just discusses them in different times in history.

    Therefore the first beast in Rev 13 shows us all these previous powers combined, and that must mean in their original locations. The only entity that fits that bill that covers the areas of Rome is the European Union.

    Granted your ideas of the UN are something to keep an eye on, because no doubt it may play a role in the future, but the European Union has the power over the original elements of the image in Dan 2.

    The reason I say the 8th king is already here is because I believe Rome was the iron in Dan 2, and the fourth beast in Dan 7. I also believe the clay is the reborn Tower of Babel in that of the Holy See that combined with Rome in 325CE becoming the 7th power.

    Then I believe that 7th head went down with the Roman empire. Then that 7th head/Roman empire had it's death stroke healed in 1929 with the Lateran Treaty and grew into the European Union. By it's healing in 1929 that made it the 8th king.

    This is why Dan 2 can tell us that it is the Holy Roman empire that is crushed by the stone cut out without hands because it is healed and becomes the 8th king and will battle with Christ in the end.

    Now there still is a moment the ten horns will give their power and authority to the wild beast, and it's at that moment the wild beast will become the one world order. This occurs at the final battle between the kotn and the kots when the north finally gets the upper hand over the south/Egypt/Anglo-America in Dan 11:40;

    “In the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing, and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and horsemen and many ships; and he will enter into the lands and sweep through like a flood."

    This however is well after the constant feature is removed in verse 31, as well deep in the end as we see the events between 31-40.
     
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    To Thinking re your' observations on Europe super power

    Thinking. He is not inaccurate in an historical sense.. Europe is in close alliance with America. They are "twins" in many senses. Look up Norman Dodd. See for yourself how long ago (1908) when these two super powers devised a means for changing the social values of the world...What did America do? It sent some of it's best ( or most compliant) scholars to England to be indoctrinated into a different set of values.
    This led to many foundations being set up and they are all linked back to Europe...Carnegie Foundation, Ford Foundation and others. Norman Dodd started off as a banker, but was a brilliant mind. He was disgusted at the banking system and the lies related to the famous Crash in America. Not one bank actually closed it's doors. There was so much propaganda about that no one really knew fact from fiction.
    The main aim of America after WW1 was to "Not miss out" on the vast amounts of money generated by the second WW. Companies like Faber; a German company, had made tremendous profits from war and it's by products. ...Namely, weapons of war.
    Also, that old symbolism of the dream of the tall statue is not an accurately assessed prophetic vision. Such things are told at the last part of Revelations...Now that IS a prophesy, there is no doubt about it. Why? Because it says so, that's why. There is a dire warning about this particular book that is missing in all other books.
    I would be cautious in claiming anything at this stage of our lives, for all of us have lived through false starts by the society and other so called visions of prophets.
    I feel that Revelations is the one of the most important of books. Yet we still don't understand it. We are not allowed to yet.
     
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    yeah I know Norman Dodd well...fascinating man....
    I'm content to see how things pan out....we will know it when we see it;)
     
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    Good on you for remaining open.

    I recall we discussed this one a while ago. Occasionally I return to listen in again looking for something I may have missed. I look for articles on him. He had an off- sider, a woman who lost her sanity, completely; after reading the "inner circle's " desire to effect change in societal thinking so as to benefit a "few". This goes straight back to Europe.
    Even the largely American influenced Australia is a portal for disseminating information in a "vague" manner. Consider: Pine Gap. A movie came out in the late 70s regarding Gough Whitlam's desire to open this site up to authorities in Australia only. The result? He was sacked in a momentous manner not dreamed of in other era's. Recall, the Queens representatives were involved in this historic "sacking". You may ask why it was a Monarchy that could order this..........What do you think this says about the power of the European Nations, or the UK if you like. How could a Monarch, the Queen feel obliged to allow Whitlam's sacking when all he wanted was to open the doors of Pine Gap to the scrutiny of Australian authorities...Why would Britain give a ****? Because it is so closely affiliated with America.
     
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    Well I will follow along with Interest Josh
     
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    I would go one step higher (in the prophetic framework) and suggest that there is no "Europe" and "America".

    There is only the nation-state system derived from the Western Roman Empire. (Daniel 2 [iron and clay], 7 [Roman derived] and 8 [Greek derived] IMO)

    Individual states, some with a lot of power (e.g. USA) and some with a little (e.g. Poland)

    Perhaps "America" and the UK (Anglo) are the two-horned lamb-dragon which helps the world worship the "Western World" in the form of it's "image" through the UN, after the impending financial apocalypse is healed. But other than that I don't find individual states referenced in the prophecies (correct me if I'm wrong!).

    The "death-stroke" of that post-Roman iron-clay is unique in history, and won't be something we miss or need to search for, and seems to fit a financial collapse event which we can deduce by the risen beast imposing a global economic system on the world.

    It's not hard to see "arrogant" words springing from a "healed" Western financial collapse / war event, rallying the world around the "enlightened" new millennia, free from the trappings of "religion".

    Perhaps that arrogant anti-Christ message is embodied in one individual leader; this is how history moves usually.
     
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    Hi SingleCell:

    The feet of the tall image in Daniel 2 is the Anglo-American world power and is about to be hit by the stone mentioned in Daniel 2 verse 45, “just as you saw that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and that it crushed the iron, the copper, the clay, the silver, and the gold.+â€￾. This is going to be an attack by the demons who have been hurled down to the earth as seen in Revelation 12…â€￾So down the great dragon+ was hurled, the original serpent,+ the one called Devil+ and Satan,+ who is misleading the entire inhabited earth;+ he was hurled down to the earth,+ and his angels were hurled down with him. [SUP]10 [/SUP] I heard a loud voice in heaven say: â€￾vss 9,10 and do you remember what the loud voice in heaven said about this event?…â€￾ On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea,+ because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.â€￾+ Rev. 12:12 Satan knows that he has but a short period of time to set up his world government with him at the head, so it is Satan and the demons that deliver the death blow to the feet of the image of Daniel 2, not the kingdom of God. They have to bring down the current system of things by dealing what appears to be a death blow to Anglo-America, but from which England and America will rise out of the earth later as the two horned beast to provide the “remedyâ€￾ to the dilemma. “Out of chaos comes orderâ€￾.
    The Kingdom of God has a far greater job to do and its job will come sometime later, even though it appears in Daniel that it crushes the “kingsâ€￾ and it is the stone. It has to,’ like’ the stone of Daniel 45, it has to also crush the 10 kings that will come to rule with the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] beast of Daniel 7 (which is not Rome and is not run by the Pope, although the Pope is a very influential man on the earth behind the scenes. But these 10 kings are not visibly ruling right now, although I believe they are already set up and ready to go behind the scenes. When the death blow is given by Satan and the demons on Anglo-America all hell is going to break loose on earth. This is the beginning of the “timeâ€￾ of distress of Daniel and lasts for 1 time, 1 year.

    When the image of Daniel 2 is “crushedâ€￾ by Satan and the demons, there will be chaos on the earth that is easy to see. When the two horned dragon comes out of the earth, what will it do. It will offer the solution to mankind’s problem, which will be to worship or obey the “image of the beastâ€￾. The beast is the current U.N. and the “imageâ€￾ of the beast is its SON. It will be a new organization that I personally think is already set up behind the scenes and is just waiting for the death blow to be administered to Anglo-America. This new U.N., will have 10 “kingsâ€￾ in whatever manner they are set up. But as Daniel 7 tells us that arrangement will get a shake up as well when another “kingâ€￾ comes up among them. So, whatever the case may be, whether there are 10, 11, or 8 kings as the final manifestation of the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] beast of Daniel which is the “image of the beastâ€￾ of Revelation, this is the organization that Jesus and the Kingdom of God will “crushâ€￾ and put an end to by throwing it in the fire, as mentioned in Daniel 7.

    You must try to see this clearly. It is a bit difficult, but once you “seeâ€￾ it you will not be able to go back to your present thinking. Remember, the kingdom crushes the organization that exists during “In the days of those kingsâ€￾. Those “kingsâ€￾ are not the dead “kingsâ€￾ of Daniel 2 but the kings who are alive and a part of the final beast, the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] beast of Daniel and the beast of Revelation. It is those kings that the Kingdom “crushesâ€￾. Look how verse 45 is worded. The Holy Spirit is saying “just asâ€￾ the stone crushes the image in Daniel, that is the way that Jesus and the Kingdom is going to “crushâ€￾ and put an end to “all these kingdomsâ€￾ plural. Not one kingdom, but 8, or 10, or 11 kingdoms of “those kingsâ€￾ of the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] beast of Daniel 7.

    There are two feet on the image of Daniel 2 because it is a “splitâ€￾ kingdom. The space in between the feet indicates the distance between the U.S. and the U.K. This has been consistent throughout the image. One head represented one King—Nebuchadnezzar. Two shoulders and arms represented the next power over God’s people Medo/Persia and its two kings. The next was the chest and abdominal area, the chest being one king Alexander the great extending to the four kings of the abdomen. We divide the abdomen into four sectors today in medicine, each with a different set of organs to monitor. Alexanders kingdom was likewise split into four. The hips and the legs (your legs extend all the way to your hip sockets) represent Rome because like Alexander, Rome started as one king represented by the hips but “splitâ€￾ into two kingdoms East and West which are perfectly represented by two legs that have a gap between them just as the two kingdoms of Rome were divided. Finally, back to the feet which are Anglo-America. It is by hitting the feet by the “stone, not cut by handsâ€￾, but cut by the demons that will bring down what we now know as the “nation stateâ€￾ system and will establish Satan’s system with one large stone that fills the whole earth for but a short time before God’s Kingdom takes over. That time is very near. The feet of the image of Daniel could get crushed any day now, maybe even today. Let’s wait and see.

    ““This is what he said: ‘As for the fourth beast, there is a fourth kingdom that will come to be on the earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms, and it will devour all the earth and will trample it down and crush it.+ [SUP]24 [/SUP] As for the ten horns, ten kings will rise up out of that kingdom; and still another one will rise up after them, and he will be different from the first ones, and he will humiliate three kings.+ [SUP]25 [/SUP] He will speak words against the Most High,+ and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.*+ [SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Court sat, and they took away his rulership, in order to annihilate him and to destroy him completely.+â€￾ Daniel 7:23-26 These are the kings that the kingdom destroys not the image in Daniel 2. Read those verses very closely and you will SEE.

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    Agreed on parts of that Frank!

    The 10 kings are definitely not here yet, which will possibly be 10 regions of planetary control coming out of the risen Western nation-state system.

    [much like the post-WW2 Bretton Woods agreement]

    I have yet to hear an explanation for Daniel 2:44 which would make me question the stone from space not being God's kingdom.

    How do we make sense of that verse if it's Satan's system?

    It seems that Daniel 2 is a broad overview of God's plan regarding the nations; not simply cut-off at Satan's casting out, but a total "scope" of the overthrow of the nations of men.

    "And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever,"

    If it weren't for that last part, "it alone will stand forever" (juxtaposed to the overarching point of Daniel 2) I could see your framework.

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    However we swing it, I take away that we aren't at or near the end quite yet. Years of economic struggle and war area ahead first, barring a "black swan" event.
     

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