The Great Crowd

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    For some reason the thread "proving who the Great Crowd is" does not work correctly. When I tried to post it shows up in the Activity Stream but does not show up in the thread. The previous posts reposted several times the same post. Therefore I have moved it to this thread.

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    At E-Watchman Utuna wrote regarding the Great Crowd post: "Cristo doesn't speak truth, although he is certainly looking for it, which is mostly commendable."

    Thanks for the commendation. I'll take it, as yes I am always looking for truth.

    Although the post on the Great Crowd is controversial because it goes against the grain of what is currently taught, the scriptures I posted are in harmony with the teaching of the bible.

    To further reason, please consider this. Revelation 6:11 states:

    Revelation 6:11 “. . .And a white robe was given to each of them; and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled also of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they also had been. . .â€￾

    Then only ten verses later at Rev 7:4 he hears the number of sealed to be one hundred forty-four thousand? He then SEES a great crowd of people who ALSO receive white robes.

    Is it so hard to reason that the number being filled at Rev 6:11 is the great crowd of people being spoken of at Rev 7?

    Revelation 7:9 “. . .After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands.â€￾

    Maybe I am wrong, but so far there hasn't been any clear reasoning as to how these scriptures do not work in harmony with each other.

    You do realize that the ONLY reason you believe that the great crowd represents the other sheep is because the WTBTS has taught you that. And the reason they came up with that understanding was as a remedy to the situation they created by stating that all the anointed had been chosen by 1935. It was in this year that the society came up with the belief that the great crowd must represent all the others besides the anointed.

    Of course you understand that the whole 1935 belief is a lie, and that whoever wants to believe that the Great Crowd is the other sheep is basing their understanding on the foundation(1935) of a lie in the first place.

    So maybe I don't speak truth Utuna, but the Society certainly doesn't.

    Compare the scriptures and decide for yourself...and reason why not,
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    I wish to make a comment regarding a post that was made on the other thread also.

    The moderator may not be as clever as those who have knowledge of the deeper things on spiritual matters.

    However, she, too, has an expectation: that members of the forum will be able to share the knowledge and understanding (that Jehovah gave them) in a manner that is respectful and beneficial to readers. That is the beauty of the forum - we have a mix of different knowledge bases here.


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    So trolling is ok, which is what he was doing. If you are going to moderate do so balanced and unbiased. Just as you expect more from me, which is what you are saying, I expect more from the senseless post that Tsaphah spent his time writing. It had absolutely zero content relating to the original post. I should be able to expect more from him, or anybody, who wishes to contribute to a thread besides nonsense.

    Is derailing a thread with gibberish respectful, or disrespectful...? Your the moderator, you be the judge...
     
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    Life On The Forum

    I've noticed both on Robert's forum and on the forum here, that a member may start a thread and others read it and then pick up on points mentioned and go off on a tangent with that - maybe there is a point there that reasonates with them and so they comment on it. But perhaps it wasn't the main point that the original poster had in mind.

    At times, the same thing has happened to me on some of the articles that I've written - where someone has replied to one of my threads and I feel that they have gone off on a tangent. It happens. That is life on the forum. That's the way of things. In addition to that, when I make a post on the forum, I do so with the knowledge that whatever I write, may possibly be corrected or challenged. It's a given. Ain't nothing wrong with that! It's called a discussion board - that's what it's for - to discuss different ideas and information. I have no problem with that, provided it's done in a respectful manner.

    Now what if Poster A starts a thread and Poster B writes something that Poster A didn't expect or didn't agree with? Poster A might feel that Poster B didn't get the point. How might that be dealt with?

    Here on the forum, when that situation occurs, it's the custom for Poster A to say something along the lines of: "Well, actually, I was talking about THIS point and I want to know more about THIS point....etc,etc." They reiterate what the subject is that they are focused on. Then Poster A asks Poster B what his thoughts are on that point. For example, "Could you explain more about this point? What do you think about this verse? How do you see this?" Poster A phrases that question in the form of a request, NOT a demand. There is a difference. There is a difference between a request and a demand.

    The goal of this forum is to have a peaceful, relaxing atmosphere where brothers/sisters can come to this site and feel that they can participate freely in the discusions without having to worry about experiencing repercussions or backlash. The brothers/sisters come here so that they can draw encouragement from the on-line association.

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    Tsaphah has never been a troll. Far from it ! If you don't understand what he meant in his post, ask him respectfully before reacting this way.

    You seem particularly worked up by your new finding and by the answers that were supposedly under par what you eagerly expected.

    As this thread was started as a result of mishandlings on your part, I'll close it and will ask you to tell me what posts in the original thread you want to keep so I can make some clean up there.
     
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