You quoted before I edited it out…but for the record, approximately July 24[SUP]th[/SUP] 2019, using 365-day years, sooner using 360-days.

I asked where is it in your time line and it does have to chronologically fit in.
And who and why are they saying it?

Robert,

If your lurking…I may end up having egg on my face (I hope I do, I am tired of paying rent. lol) I see that with John Kerry in that they are back to the "Peace & Security" talks.

 

John,

Yeah, that is the dilemma for the WT, namely that, if one were to read
prophecy honestly, one could not help but notice that the entity of God’s
judicial wrath is also the one to be restored by Him in the aftermath,

so that if ‘Jerusalem’ is picturing ‘Christendom,’ then CHRISTENDOM will
be rebuild after Armageddon – something not very palatable to the
current, self-appointed guardians of theocratic correctness.

They can’t have it both ways – they really have to humble themselves
and acknowledge that they are no more than a small part of
‘Christendom,’ along with all the rest of those professing faith in the
God of the Bible, and of whom only a remnant with honest souls will survive.

 

Shikinah,

well, it appears to me that all Christian organizations, including the WT,
will be incorporated into the new inclusive religious paradigm, with only
individuals escaping from ‘Jerusalem,’ which, after all, is representative
of ALL religions professing to be God’s people.

Hence the call to ‘get out of her my people,’ because only spiritually
alert individuals will be able to recognize the transition from
Christianity to the ‘incoming kingdom of God.’

Those not going along with the new, all inclusive world view will be
composed of a motley crew of people we perhaps would least expect
to take a stand for what is true and right, while those who we thought
to be pillars in our congregation may well join in with the incoming
world administration.

 

Yes there is…it is based on what “that dayâ€￾ is referring to. Let's say it is referring to Jesus’ coming after the GT is cut short. (Matt 24:30) Then in that case you would simply place it into your time frame at the point you have that event of Jesus’ occurring. So first, what we need to know is who is saying it and why are they? Then we will know what destruction is fitting for who “they/themâ€￾ are. So then we should be able to know what "that day" is referring to.

"Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!â€￾ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape. But ​YOU, brothers, ​YOU​ are not in darkness, so that that day should overtake ​YOU​ as it would thieves, for ​YOU​ are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness."

 

first, what we need to know is who is saying it and why are they?

 

Thank you for that explanation,
So who do you think the two witnesses are in the book of Revelation,
because I find the JW's interpretation slightly lacking.


Shikinah

 

Shikinah,

both the work of the ‘two witnesses’ and the spreading of the good news
of the kingdom only seem to make sense when the NWO is well under way.

At that time there will be no apathy towards the message as it is today,
while the world still seems to be drowning in its problems with no
solution in sight.

Just imagine preaching during the prosperous years of the Nazi era in
Germany - when there was no unemployment, no crime, no corruption –
that all this prosperity and unity of the population was just due to a trick
from Satan,

and see how much visceral hatred will come your way from people
who live in peace and security and ‘freedom from care’ amongst a
global brotherhood of like-minded people.

 

Hi Diagonal,
My personal view at the moment,which has taken a while to formulate after reading a few anointed blogs,is that the good news of the Kingdom will be preached in a true sence when it is "born"...when all members have been proven and thus it can be born. Rev12:2. So until they have been sifted and sealed the Kingdom cant be born. We may preach about what the kingdom will do for mankind...but whatever has been preached thus far...its NOT about the Kingdoms birth. It hasnt happened.

How can the preaching of the Kingdom really happen and Matt 24:14 fulfilled if it hasnt been born ? How can the end come if the preaching of the newly established Kingdom hasnt taken place ?..as opposed to the work of JWs who preach it has been born..when it hasnt ? So a new and differant type of preaching will happen with Jesus brothers in the lead.

Once Jesus brothers have been proven and the Kingdom born,Jesus arrives..that is,1st appears to the members of the Kingdom. He "comes along side" His now true brothers,which is what parousia means. These are then apointed the real FDS. Because satan has no longer has the legal right to rule and its him that keeps this system going so he has something to rule over...that power is taken away.

The result is that the system then collapses and goes into anarchy. Its during this time that Matt 24:14 has its fullfilment. We will under the work of the Kingdom members be part of a work to bring attention to these proven members of the Kingdom. They are direct representatives of it. Those anointed claiming that now are liars !

It will be exciting to really preach that message in a time worse than any other time in history. Joy for us because we will be able to meet these true brothers of Jesus. But "woe for the earth and the sea" because satan knows his time is short.
After the preaching has had the same effect as the 10 miracles of Egypt,then the end will come !

 

Jahsdisciple,

I somewhat disagree with Watchman’s expectation that the great tribulation
will be on mankind in general, because Jesus said in Luke that it will only be
on ‘this people,’ meaning ‘Jerusalem,’ namely those Christians who, although
not worshipping the beast, are nevertheless holding fast to their unscriptural
religious dogmas and organizations.

Further, I have problems with his idea of Christ appearing in the ‘inner chambers,’
so to speak, to His disciples BEFORE His public coming on the clouds of Heaven,
precisely because He warned us against that sort of thing.

Apart from that I pretty much agree with your view.

 

I also think that the preaching work now being done by the JW's,
is temporary and will have served it's purpose. I also believe that there is a much
greater preaching work to be done amidst the so called time of peace and security
and leading up to the tribulation.
But who are classed as the two witnesses?
Is the scripture which says they will be lying in the street dead for three days,
and the giving of gifts celebrating over their death literal or symbolic?
I have a feeling there will be some supernatural phenomenon,
as there has been in past events upon the earth, but I guess if you do not know the scriptures,
this is where you will not know whats from Jehovah & what's from satan.
As the scriptures say that man will not know the way out,
and will faint out of fear.
What exciting times we are living in, and what a blessing
to know the truth

 

Hello Joshuastone,
These are very deep scriptures and I wouldn't profess to say that I can even make head or tail of them. Have you quoted Daniel because the scripture speaks about two "others" standing on the bank and on the stream. Are these two suppose to be Angels and are they also suppose to be the two lampstands/witnesses in Rev?
I have heard that some think that the two witnesses are Enoch & Elijah as they both have not seen physical death. Enoch also took a stroll with God and ended up walking right on up into heaven with Him. And Elijah He was caught up to heaven in a fiery chariot. Both these men went up into heaven alive in their physical bodies.

Shikinah

 

Joshua,

you said that Zerubbabel, as a type of one of the two witnesses in our day,
“will be instrumental in leading back God’s people and establishing a new
Jerusalem.â€

I wonder if you made that comment just as a general statement, or if you
had something more specific in mind - and if you could elaborate a bit on
what you mean with ‘God’s people’ and ‘a new Jerusalem?’

By the way, I don’t profess to know the identity of the two witnesses,
as this seems to be merely of academic interest at this stage; a bit like
knowing what the weather will be like five years from now.

 

Joshua,

ok, thanks for your thoughts on this, and I agree with you about the
possible prophetic nature of this text, but have yet to see how far
the analogies are meant to be taken in our day.

From the way I read Jesus’ words in Mat.24, it looks like the chosen
ones will be scattered in some sense until the coming of Christ on
the clouds of Heaven to gather them together to meet up with
Him in the air.