The "great tribulation" spoken about by Jesus...what is it ? Matt 24:21

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    No prob... :)

    If I'm mistaken tell me, but I believe you are speaking of; "And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity." (Mt 24:31)

    If you notice at Rev 7:1; "After this I saw four angels standing upon the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow upon the earth or upon the sea or upon any tree."

    So the four winds are basically hovering over the whole earth and are a metaphor for the dangerous balance the world is right now in being on the brink of another world war, and it's comforting to know that the angels will hold back those winds until the very end, instead of the beginning of the end as Robert innocently mistake's. It's not that Jesus is saying his brothers are scattered about because of being displaced, but simply saying that from all the earth they will be gathered.

    It's quite clear that these two witnesses will impart truth to the many during their work...

    "And as regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many." (Dan 11:33)

    ​BTW, this scripture describes others along side the two witnesses during that time who will as well receive crowns of gold; "And the grand crown itself will come to belong to He′lem and to To‧bi′jah and to Je‧da′iah and to Hen the son of Zeph‧a‧ni′ah as a memorial in the temple of Jehovah. And those who are far away will come and actually build in the temple of Jehovah.â€￾ And ​YOU​ people will have to know that Jehovah of armies himself has sent me to ​YOU. And it must occur—if ​YOU​ will without fail listen to the voice of Jehovah ​YOUR​ God." (Zech 6:14, 15)

    It is quite likely that these four plus the two witnesses make up the six of Zechariah ch9. Just think about, there will be a group of us that will be in the work of Jehovah in the time of the end!

    "And, look! there were six men coming from the direction of the upper gate that faces to the north, each one with his weapon for smashing in his hand; and there was one man in among them clothed with linen, with a secretary’s inkhorn at his hips, and they proceeded to come in and stand beside the copper altar. And as regards the glory of the God of Israel, it was taken up from over the cherubs over which it happened to be to the threshold of the house, and he began calling out to the man that was clothed with the linen, at whose hips there was the secretary’s inkhorn. And Jehovah went on to say to him: “Pass through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and you must put a mark on the foreheads of the men that are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the midst of it.â€￾" (Eze 9:2-4)
     
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    So the time of the end looks like this...

    {2300 Starts} Watchtower News Reports: Date
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    {965 Days Pass}
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    {1260, 1290, 1335 Starts} Watchtower Goes Down: Date
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    {777 Days Pass}
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    {1742nd Day} Call to Rebuild Jerusalem: Date
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    {108 Days Pass}
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    {1850th Day} USA Collapses/One World Order: Date
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    {375 Days Pass}
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    {1260 Ends} Jesus Enthroned: Date
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    {30 Days Pass}
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    {1290 Ends} Disgusting Thing: Date
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    {45 Days Pass}
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    {2300th, 1335th Day} New World: Date


    The final week of the 70 appears to be a more detailed specific information for those on earth to look for when the disgusting thing stands in a holy place and to flee into the wilderness. It appears that the eighth king will form some kind of covenant with the "many", then at the half of that week he will come against Gods people ceasing their sacrifices and gift offerings as verse 27b brings out, which is obviously different then the ending of the constant feature that happen 1290 days before, (as mentioned in previous post). Then the one lying desolate at this time is obviously the great harlot.

    I posted the true chronology of Revelation a while back and I was a bit surprised no one had questions, so I'll post it again for fun... ;)

    The trumpets and bowls are both one and the same thing describing each other. When you get to the 7th bowl and trumpet, both of those occur the same day as the first six seals. So the 7th trumpet, 7th bowl and first six seals all occur on one day. These are the seven thunders.

    2300 Days Starts the Time of the End
    1[SUP]st[/SUP] Trumpet: Hail, fire mingled with blood hurled to earth/3[SUP]rd[/SUP] died
    1[SUP]st[/SUP] Bowl: Poured out into the earth
    {Starting the beginning of the 2300 days, this is when transgression by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society comes to light 965 days before the constant feature is removed. Which intern causes some of the stars and army to fall away from the congregation. We will see this in news reports from the United Nations about WTB&S errors. Man of lawlessness is revealed.}


    Dan 8:14 “So he said to me: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings; and the holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.â€￾


    Rev 8:5 “But right away the angel took the incense vessel, and he filled it with some of the fire of the altar and hurled it to the earth. And thunders occurred and voices and lightnings and an earthquake.â€￾


    Dan 11:30 “And he will actually go back and hurl denunciations against the holy covenant and act effectively; and he will have to go back and will give consideration to those leaving the holy covenant.â€￾


    Rev 16:2 “And the first one went off and poured out his bowl into the earth. And a hurtful and malignant ulcer came to be upon the men that had the mark of the wild beast and that were worshiping its image.â€￾


    Dan 8:9,10 “And out of one of them there came forth another horn, a small one, and it kept getting very much greater toward the south and toward the sunrising and toward the Decoration. And it kept getting greater all the way to the army of the heavens, so that it caused some of the army and some of the stars to fall to the earth, and it went trampling them down.â€￾


    2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Trumpet: Mountain like fire hurled into sea/3[SUP]rd[/SUP] died
    2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Bowl: Poured out into the sea
    {Jehovah’s earthly organization is hurled into the worlds eye as if on fire.}


    2 Th 2:3 “Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.â€￾


    Rev 8:8 “And the second angel blew his trumpet. And something like a great mountain burning with fire was hurled into the sea. And a third of the sea became blood.â€￾


    Rev 16:3 “And the second one poured out his bowl into the sea. And it became blood as of a dead man, and every living soul died, yes, the things in the sea.â€￾


    3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Trumpet: Star fell “Wormwoodâ€￾ onto waters/fell on 3[SUP]rd[/SUP]
    3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Bowl: Poured out into waters
    {The judgment on Gods people makes the proverbial waters of information from the society bitter to the palate.}

    Rev 8:10 “And the third angel blew his trumpet. And a great star burning as a lamp fell from heaven, and it fell upon a third of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters.â€￾


    Rev 16:4 “And the third one poured out his bowl into the rivers and the fountains of the waters. And they became blood.â€￾


    1260, 1290, 1335 Days Start
    4[SUP]th[/SUP] Trumpet: Third of the sun smitten and moon smitten
    4[SUP]th[/SUP] Bowl: Poured out upon the sun
    {The constant feature is removed. The Watchtower is no longer produced. The two witnesses begin prophesying in sackcloth.}


    Rev 8:12 “And the fourth angel blew his trumpet. And a third of the sun was smitten and a third of the moon and a third of the stars, in order that a third of them might be darkened and the day might not have illumination for a third of it, and the night likewise.â€￾


    Rev 16:8
    “And the fourth one poured out his bowl upon the sun; and to [the sun] it was granted to scorch the men with fire.â€￾


    Dan 8:11, 12 “And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant feature was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down. And an army itself was gradually given over, together with the constant feature, because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success.â€￾

    Dan 11:31 “And there will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature.â€￾

    Rev 12:6 “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and sixty days.â€￾


    1742 Day
    5[SUP]th[/SUP] Trumpet: Star that fell given key of abyss/locust/torment five months
    5[SUP]th[/SUP] bowl: Poured upon the throne of the wild beast
    {The U.S.A. Collapses.}


    Rev 9:1 “And the fifth angel blew his trumpet. And I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to the earth, and the key of the pit of the abyss was given him.â€￾


    Rev 16:10 “And the fifth one poured out his bowl upon the throne of the wild beast. And its kingdom became darkened, and they began to gnaw their tongues for their pain.â€￾


    Dan 7:11 “I kept on beholding at that time because of the sound of the grandiose words that the horn was speaking; I kept on beholding until the beast was killed and its body was destroyed and it was given to the burning fire.â€￾


    6[SUP]th[/SUP] Trumpet: Untie four angles bound at river Euphrates
    6[SUP]th[/SUP] Bowl: Poured out upon great river Euphrates
    {The nations are gathered together into a one world order in the form of the United Nations for the great day of Jehovah. The sacred secret of God declared to slaves is brought to a finish.}


    Rev 9:13, 14 “And the sixth angel blew his trumpet. And I heard one voice out of the horns of the golden altar that is before God say to the sixth angel, who had the trumpet: “Untie the four angels that are bound at the great river Euphrates.â€￾


    Rev 16:12 “And the sixth one poured out his bowl upon the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, that the way might be prepared for the kings from the rising of the sun.â€￾


    Rev 10:6b, 7 “There will be no delay any longer; but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to blow his trumpet, the sacred secret of God according to the good news which he declared to his own slaves the prophets is indeed brought to a finish.â€￾


    1260 Days End
    7[SUP]th[/SUP] Trumpet: Jesus given rulership/Earthquake/Hail
    7
    [SUP]th[/SUP] Bowl: Poured out upon the air/Earthquake/Hail
    {Completion of the 1260 days. The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] trumpet and bowl, as well as the first six seals all occurs on this day. These are the seven thunders at Rev 10:3.}


    Rev 11:15 “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.â€￾


    Dan 7:14 “And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin.â€￾


    Rev 16:17 “And the seventh one poured out his bowl upon the air. At this a loud voice issued out of the sanctuary from the throne, saying: “It has come to pass!â€￾


    Rev 6:14 “And the heaven departed as a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and every island were removed from their places.â€￾


    Rev 16:19-21 “And the great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and Babylon the Great was remembered in the sight of God, to give her the cup of the wine of the anger of his wrath. Also, every island fled, and mountains were not found. And a great hail with every stone about the weight of a talent descended out of heaven upon the men, and the men blasphemed God due to the plague of hail, because the plague of it was unusually great.â€￾


    1[SUP]st[/SUP] Seal: Jesus given reulership
    Rev 6:2 “And I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.â€￾

    Zec 6:6 “and as for the white ones, they must go forth to behind the sea;â€￾

    2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Seal: Fiery horse
    Rev 11:18 “But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came,â€￾

    Zec 6:6 “and as for the speckled ones, they must go forth to the land of the south.â€￾

    3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Seal: Black horse/scales
    Rev 11:18 “and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give their reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great,â€￾

    Zec 6:6 “As for the one in which the black horses are, they are going forth to the land of the north;â€￾

    4[SUP]th[/SUP] Seal: Pale horse/death
    Rev 11:18 “and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.â€￾

    Zec 6:7 “And as for the parti-colored ones, they must go forth and keep seeking where to go, in order to walk about in the earth.â€￾

    Dan 12:1, 2 “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, every one who is found written down in the book. And there will be many of those asleep in the ground of dust who will wake up, these to indefinitely lasting life and those to reproaches and to indefinitely lasting abhorrence.â€￾


    5[SUP]th[/SUP] Seal: Souls under alter raised to heavenly life
    {Those under the alter are raised to heavenly life, and are told to wait until the number is filled of their brothers who were about to be killed. Jehovah pours out his spirit upon the sons and the Servants sealing them.}


    Rev 6:10, 11 “And they cried with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood upon those who dwell on the earth?â€￾ And a white robe was given to each of them; and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled also of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they also had been.â€￾


    Joel 2:28 “And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will certainly prophesy. As for your old men, dreams they will dream. As for your young men, visions they will see. And even on the menservants and on the maidservants in those days I shall pour out my spirit.â€￾


    6[SUP]th[/SUP] Seal: Stars fall/Great day of Jehovah coming/Earthquake/Hail
    {Signs in sun and moon and great hail and earthquake. These are described in the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] trumpet, 7[SUP]th[/SUP] bowl and 6[SUP]th[/SUP] seal. Everlasting good news declared to the earth. Babylon goes down.}


    Rev 7:1 “After this I saw four angels standing upon the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow upon the earth or upon the sea or upon any tree.


    Rev 6:12, 13 “And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and a great earthquake occurred; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the entire moon became as blood, and the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as when a fig tree shaken by a high wind casts its unripe figs.â€￾


    Rev 6:15-17 “And the kings of the earth and the top-ranking ones and the military commanders and the rich and the strong ones and every slave and every free person hid themselves in the caves and in the rock-masses of the mountains. And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rock-masses: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?â€￾

    Rev 14:8 “And another, a second angel, followed, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, she who made all the nations drink of the wine of the anger of her fornication!â€￾

    1290 Days end
    7[SUP]th[/SUP] Seal: Silence in heaven for a half hour
    {The disgusting thing stands in a holy place.}


    Zech 2:13 “Keep silence, all flesh, before Jehovah, for he has aroused himself from his holy dwelling.â€￾


    Dan 12:11 “And from the time that the constant [feature] has been removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing that is causing desolation, there will be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.â€￾


    Dan 11:44,45 “But there will be reports that will disturb him, out of the sunrising and out of the north, and he will certainly go forth in a great rage in order to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him.â€￾


    1Th 5:3a “Whenever it is that they are saying: “Peace and security!â€￾ then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them,â€￾


    2300, 1335 Days End
    {The New World is ushered in!}


    Dan12:12 “Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!â€￾


    Rev 19:9 “And he tells me: “Write: Happy are those invited to the evening meal of the Lambs marriage.â€￾ Also, he tells me: “These are the true sayings of God.â€￾
     
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    The subject matter is pretty dense, and so am I at times, lol
     
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    Just logging in quickly here - these scriptures will give me some "homework" to think about - keep me out of mischief for several days! :p
     
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    Very nice Joshua ... about half way through now, I've always wanted to see something like this; trying to coordinate scriptures into a cohesive timeline.

    So far I'm with you! Going to log off for a bit and finish this later, it is dense indeed, as Diagonal said.
     
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    So you have trumpets 1-6 and bowls 1-6 occurring first and concurrent to one another…then you have trumpet 7, bowl 7, and seals 1-6 occurring concurrent to one another and after trumpets/bowls 1-6…then lastly you have the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] seal opening?

    Why did you not cite anymore after citing “Silence in heaven for a half hourâ€￾?

    It seems to me that seals 1-6 have to open first, before we get to the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] seal, which then at that time the 7 trumpets begin blowing in order from 1 down to 7.
     
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    Good question John...

    Remember, in the original Hebrew and Greek there were no chapter divisions, nor verse separations. They simply started chapter 8 in the wrong place, it should have started with verse 2 instead of the opening of the 7th seal.

    Think about it, what occurs at the opening of the 7th seal? Silence for a half hour, not a trumpet blast. This silence goes on for a half hour! Long time...

    The only time praise before Jehovah stops and there is silence is of course during his wrath.
     
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    It’s important to note that the original Scriptures did not include chapter numbers, or verse spacing. Such as Rev 8:1 should have begun with verse two, hence why everyone has always thought the seals came before the trumpets, however, the opening of the seventh seal brings in silence for a half hour, certainly not a trumpet blast. Here is a poignant scripture discussing this moment at Zep 1:7: “Keep silence before the Sovereign Lord Jehovah; for the day of Jehovah is near, for Jehovah has prepared a sacrifice; he has sanctified his invited ones.â€￾ In fact scripture tells us in what order the seals are placed. Let’s read Rev 11:19: “And the temple sanctuary of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple sanctuary.â€￾ Now notice that this is immediately after the seventh trumpet blew in verse fifteen. Now let’s direct our attention to chapter four of Revelation, verse one: “After these things I saw, and, look! An opened door in heaven, and the first voice that I heard was as of a trumpet, speaking with me, saying: “Come on up here, and I shall show you the things that must take place.â€￾ So the seals come directly after the trumpet blasts! (1Th 4:16, Rev 19:11)

    At this point the seventh trumpet, seventh bowl and as well the first six seals all occur on one single day, that of the day Jesus is enthroned at the end of the one thousand two hundred and sixty day tribulation! These are the Seven Thunders! Let’s take a look at the sixth seal and the description of events following its opening at Rev 6:12: “And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and a great earthquake occurred.â€￾ Now let’s see the account at the seventh bowl. “And the seventh one poured out his bowl upon the air. At this a loud voice issued out of the sanctuary from the throne, saying: “It has come to pass!â€￾ And lightnings and voices and thunders occurred and a great earthquake occurred such as has not occurred since men came to be on the earth, so extensive an earthquake, so great.â€￾ (Rev 16:17, 18)

    Now let’s pay close attention to the next verses in chapter sixteen and how the seventh bowl correlates with the sixth seal in chapter six and the stars falling from heaven. “And a great hail with every stone about the weight of a talent descended out of heaven upon the men.â€￾ (Rev 16:21a) Now let’s compare chapter six: “And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as when a fig tree shaken by a high wind casts its unripe figs.â€￾ (Rev 6:13) And of the mountains; “And the heavens departed as a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and every island were removed from their places.â€￾ (Rev 6:14) “Also, every island fled, and mountains were not found.â€￾ (Rev 16:20) Now what is the response from those in the world who experience this event? Rev 6:15-17 tells us: “And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rock-masses: “fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?â€￾

    There are also five other events within the Seven Thunders to examine and let’s start with the first four seals, and the ride of the four horsemen. The first horsemen and foremost event of this day is the crowning of Jehovah’s representative Christ Jesus as king as we read at Rev 11:15: “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.â€￾

    Now Rev 6:1-8 describes the triumphant ride of these four horsemen in accomplishing Jehovah’s purposes on earth. The meaning of their rides can be found in three locations in scripture,those being Revelation chapter six, Zechariah chapter six, and Revelation chapter eleven. Let’s read of the seals being opened and of their riding forth at Rev 6:2: “And I saw, and, look! A white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.â€￾ We find the second horse at Rev 6:4: “And another came forth, a fiery-colored horse; and to the one seated upon it there was granted to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another; and a great sword was given him.â€￾ Next at Rev 6:5: “And when he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say: “Come!â€￾ And I saw, and, look! A black horse; and the one seated upon it had a pair of scales in his hand.â€￾ As well Rev 6:8: “And I saw, and, look! A pale horse; and the one seated upon it had the name Death. And Ha’des was closely following him.â€￾

    At Zech 6:6 we read: “As for the one in which the black horses are, they are going forth to the land of the north, and as for the white ones, they must go forth to behind the sea; and for the speckled ones, they must go forth to the land of the south. And as for the parti-colored ones, they must go forth and keep seeking where to go, in order to walk about in the earth.â€￾ Also a description is found at Rev 11:17,18: “We thank you, Jehovah God, the Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king, but the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give their reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.â€￾

    In the fifth seal we see a wonderful occurrence that has been prophesied and anticipated for millennia,ever since those first followers of Jesus gathered in a room almost two thousand years ago at Pentecost and received the Holy Spirit as it was poured out upon them sealing them and bringing them into a covenant with Jehovah for a heavenly hope. A similar event will occur when Jesus is enthroned, and not only that but those who are sealed in that covenant position who have lived and died in service to Jehovah will be raised to heavenly life. As well those who have the hope of living for ever in the renewed paradise earth will also receive the Holy Spirit in sealing them at that moment! As we read at Joel 2:28 those alive will share a similar experience as those of the first century: “And after that it must occur that I shall pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, and your sons and your daughters will certainly prophesy.â€￾ Now of those who are raised to heavenly life; “who will eventually total 144,000â€￾ the ninth verse of chapter six in Revelation reads:
    “And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness work that they used to have. And they cried with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood upon those who dwell on the earth?â€￾
     
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    We all have our gifts from Jehovah and our own works. Nothing I have is from me however it is Jehovah's and nothing from my own understanding, but I sure do love my work in scripture! :)
     
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    Keeps me busy too! lol

    Diagonal,

    The bible is like cake, cheesecake is my fav being the most dense...lol
     
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    John, still with me? Did you see the connection between the 7th trumpet, bowl and 6th seal I posted in #208? Getting a feel of the chronology? Keep in mind there can never be a paradox in time, or the entire system collapses...
     

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