The thief who dreamt she stole Eden

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    ' The world advances; Greek or Roman rite

    Suffices not the inquiring mind to stay;

    The searching soul demands a purer light

    To guide it on its upward, onward way;

    Ashamed of sculptured gods, Religion turns

    To where the unseen Jehovah's altar burns.'



    (poem excerpt)


    Pilate's Wife's Dream


    Charlotte Bronte - 1816-1855
     
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    The name Gethsemane (Hebrew gat shemanim, “oil press”) suggests that the garden was a grove of olive trees in which was located an oil press. Encyclopaedia Britannica

    A study conducted by the National Research Council of Italy in 2012 found that several olive trees in the garden are amongst the oldest known to mankind - wikipedia
     
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    Claudia Procula is sometimes the name attributed to Pontius Pilate's wife, there are evidences to support it although not a historical certainty. The dream or nightmare she experienced about Jesus almost like stolen information greatly disturbed her. Whilst Jesus, popular with the people, did have some sympathetic support in the class echelons of the Sanhedrin they weren't vehemently challenging the proceedings of his arrest.

    They didn't act with the certitude of 'Claudia Procula'.

    The circumstances of the arrest have been extensively written about by historians with a background in law. It was illegal to hold a trial at night and aside from the conflicting witness statements there were a plethora of procedural breaches violations of protocol. Lack of formal charge, the trial and sentencing concluding within one 24 hour period, sentence pronounced in private residence. The well documented irregularities give the sense of other powers at work which is exactly what transpired.

    Pilate's reaction.

    Imagine someone in a professional position receiving a text from their spouse announcing a terrible dream they'd had regarding a stock trade or an accounting client or anything at a professional level. Then imagine the stock trader or accountant actually taking action on the basis of this information.

    Whilst Pilate's responsibilities were far greater than a typical professional person, a civic administrator, he likely had concerns about adjudicating such a popular figure whilst Jerusalem was heaving with the populace celebrating the passover.

    15 Now it was the governor’s custom at the festival to release a prisoner chosen by the crowd.

    This 'governor's custom' seems like a custom made political 'Olive branch' to placate a large group of Jews who every year at the time of the passover would be feeling patriotic and zealous. A twig, an olive branch stolen out of Gethsemane olive grove.

    Even chalking Pilate's attempts to avail himself from the adjudication down to civic pragmatism at the very least it is of interest that his wife would even send him a memo stating that she had a disturbing dream and that she felt she could issue advice to him in the mode of instruction, that he have no dealings with the righteous man.

    Matthew 27:19

    New International Version

    While Pilate was sitting on the judge’s seat, his wife sent him this message: “Don’t have anything to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of him.”

    New Living Translation

    Just then, as Pilate was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent him this message: “Leave that innocent man alone. I suffered through a terrible nightmare about him last night.”

    English Standard Version

    Besides, while he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent word to him, “Have nothing to do with that righteous man, for I have suffered much because of him today in a dream.”


    Men of high office, military commander's, Kings and princes of the ancient world would often be married to women who could aid their ambitions. Women who were good at politics or who studied astrology to pick dates and times to act with celestial favour. Whether Pilate's wife was like this we do not know.

    A remarkable poetry of events was unfolding in Jerusalem that year, an unseen subtext. Jesus who enters into the world in an animal barn would be exiting the world as the passover lamb. It may also be of note that it was specifically a garden from which Jesus was arrested into custody.

    The previous occasion a perfect man walked the earth 'life eternal' had been stolen out of that garden also.

    The dream that disturbed Claudia Procula was some gained awareness of the relevance of Christ. Arrested in Gethsemane Garden like Procula's peace of mind, the peace of Eden, stolen in connection with her, unaware that her husbands adjudication of Jesus would eventually have a restorative effect. When Jesus was resurrected and appeared to women they mistook him for a man who works in a garden.

    The gardener who restores the first garden.

    Gethsemane means 'oil press'. The location of the Gethsemane olive grove where Jesus was on the night of passover has more than one candidate. One of the preferred locations was examined by an Italian research group in 2012. They estimated that the olive tress in that area are the oldest known to man. A thousand years old. Further tests indicated that they had been resprouted from older still parent plants. Surviving traumatic assaults on the city some believe there have been deliberate attempt to preserve them.

    Preserved specifically because they are resprouted from the roots of the original Olive trees Christ sheltered amongst. Noted by Encyclopedia Britannica and The Watchtower.

    However, Bernabei writes: "All the tree trunks are hollow inside so that the central, older wood is missing ... In the end, only three from a total of eight olive trees could be successfully dated. The dated ancient olive trees do, however, not allow any hypothesis to be made with regard to the age of the remaining five giant olive trees."[15] Babcox said that the roots of the oldest trees are possibly much older and then points out the traditional claim that the trees are two thousand years old.[16] - wikipedia
     
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    torches burn in Jerusalem, and cast
    On yonder stony mount a lurid glow.
    I see men station'd there, and gleaming spears;
    A sound, too, from afar, invades my ears.


    (from)

    Pilate's Wife's Dream

    Charlotte Bronte – 1816-1855
     
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    Luke 1:41 Well, as Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the infant in her womb leaped; and Elizabeth was filled with holy spirit,

    44 For, look! as the sound of your greeting fell upon my ears, the infant in my womb leaped with great gladness


    What exactly is being said ?

    Why did the baby leap with gladness ?

    This account appears in Luke's gospel. Luke who was a physician. It is generally understood that babies in the womb can respond to stimuli such as their father's voice. Luke who was not an eye witness to the events he was recording [by divine inspiration], may have understood this perhaps more than a fisherman or man of other occupations.

    Recording the event of a baby's reaction in the womb would likely have seemed natural for a physician.

    It is of note that in this case the babe in the womb had not heard his own father voice.

    The father of this baby had his voice muted by an angel for the duration of the pregnancy. (Luke1:20) In addition to the baby not having heard his father's voice it is likely he never heard much of anyone else either Luke 1:24 explains that Elizabeth had secluded herself during her pregnancy. In an extenuating way, the last verse of the chapter draws out this theme. John is described as a child whose spirit grew in strength whilst he was continuing on 'in the dessert'. (Luke 1:80)

    The seclusion and solitude that Christ's cousin was afforded, and afforded himself, we can reason gave him an appreciation of peace which allowed him a fuller appreciation of his experiences generally. John very evidently had a rare yet appropriate appreciation of Jesus which was congenital.

    Other stimuli were also absent for John. He didn't drink wine (Luke 1:15).

    Very young babies will sometimes rock from side to side when they hear music they like, before they can talk or understand language. A natural joyous reaction. John's reaction in the womb pre-empted his mother Elizabeth being filled with holy spirit, the in-utero child is not only reacting to the general stimulation of hearing a human voice.

    What purpose would there be, for scripture recording that a baby reacted to a voice ? It is of note.

    The reaction innately relevant to his proximity with the mother of the Christ relevant to the course of his life. This is a sober and indefatigable case of natural ESP. The leap of joy is invoked by destinies he doesn't understand, with people he hasn't met, for purposes he is unaware of.

    Extra Sensory Perception.

    John didn't drink wine. Jesus did. Wine in ancient times had the benefit of being less likely to taint over time than stagnated water. The anti-bacterial qualities of the alcohol, increase with the alcohol content, which increases with age. Aged water is more likely to taint in storage with the available faculties of the ancient world. As such people in the ancient world did not drink wine purely for 'the effects of it' as much as people do in modern times. In parts of the world today where clean water is unavailable, wine is often less likely available. To have a drink of wine with a meal in the ancient world would be a stronger guarantee of health than drinking a meal with water and its relaxing qualities beneficial to digestion.

    Is it credible to suggest that even with the slightly different dynamic of the ancient world, that Jesus did not experience or appreciate the effects of wine ?

    Jesus not typically concerned with the characterisation of himself with his detractors once warned he would be portrayed as a drunkard. 'Drunk' is the term used to describe a person intoxicated with alcohol to the extent that they are incompetent in their behaviours.

    What is the word that describes the condition where the moderate effects of wine are occurring without unreasonable loss of competency ?

    'Moderation' is a word that can apply to many things. 'Drunk' only applies to one.

    If we lack the ability to express states and conditions in language for something like alcohol which is easily understood. Is it possible we also lack the ability to describe experiences constituting natural occurrences of ESP which are not spiritism, uncanny powers or divination but rather enhanced intuition ? Is telepathy sometimes the result of natural empathy ? If you get the feeling someone is looking at you and you find that they are are you a spiritualist ? It seems more likely that in the zeal to be 'superfine' an unnatural standard is set. A standard which for example prevents ex-positing the obvious, such as deducing that Jesus must have enjoyed the effects of wine.

    Feasts, Wedding feasts, special occasions for celebration are not counted as drunkenness and gluttony or else Jesus would not be producing wine at them expressing miracles. As such neither are instances of seeing the future in dreams or hearing the thoughts of others always spiritism and divination.

    If a person wakes in the morning and the first thought is to seek wine probably they are drinking to much. If a person seeks to know the future or goes out of their way to obtain generally unknowable intelligences this is unlikely to be a good course.

    Having a small amount of holy spirit suggests things like this might happen on their own at times without seeking them out and without it being transgressive. Did Jesus use his superpowers so that he didn't feel the effects of wine ? The relevance being that there may be an unnatural standard being set for how we interpret events written in scripture so that we are no longer able to properly understand what we are reading.

    Some organisations of Christendom promote spiritism yet the WTBTS may have become so zealously over stringent as to be numb to God's spirit. Or otherwise unnatural.

    Joel 2:28 After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions. And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days. And I will give wonders in the heavens and on the earth, Blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood

    Before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah. And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls.”

    Claudia Procula may have been the type of politician's wife who attempts to use spiritist practices to interpret and navigate events according to ambition. Perhaps she was provoked in her sleep by an evil spirit. The fact that she recognises Jesus as righteous does not qualify her own righteousness. (Acts 16;16) Not withstanding, 'spiritist practices' are just that. Behaviours engaged in repeatedly, practised for some outcome.

    It is not really possible for a person to repent something they have not purposely engaged in, or been negligently responsible for.

    Claudia Procula's sympathies maybe shallow, hoping for herself and husband to avoid significant consequences. Even if she had genuine concern about passing judgement over a righteous man there is no way she could have understood the colossal significance of unfolding events. She has a dream which greatly disturbed her, terrified her. Her description of Jesus as righteous issues her husband inclinations to avoid passing judgement. During his private meeting Jesus suggests to him that the level and nature of attention Pilate is giving him indicts Pilate. It suggests Pilate is aware that there is something unusually prominant about him. How often would an official at Pilate's level of government have organised a private audience with an accused citizen and directly enquired of them whether they had nobility that was not otherwise obvious and apparent.

    (Mark15:2)

    The fact that Claudia Procula does describe Jesus as righteous, along with the straight forward reading of the event qualifies her for consideration of the kind of perception which john exhibited in the womb when he reacted in his spirit to the proximity of Christ's mother and her voice. Later there were christians serving in Caesar's household, there were prophets, Romans soldiers favoured with angelic visitations. The kind of events for which meaning may be expunged with an overly stringent attempts at attaining superfine status or well intended, misguided zeal.
     
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    Job 33:15,16


    Berean study bible

    In a dream,

    in a vision in the night,

    when deep sleep falls upon men

    as they slumber on their beds,

    He opens their ears

    and terrifies them with warnings



    NLT

    He speaks in dreams, in visions of the night,

    when deep sleep falls on people

    as they lie in their beds.

    He whispers in their ears

    and terrifies them with warnings.
     
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    Accessible is Pilate's heart to fear,

    Omens will shake his soul, like autumn leaf;

    Could he this night's appalling vision hear,

    This just man's bonds were loosed, his life were safe,

    Unless that bitter priesthood should prevail,

    And make even terror to their malice quail.




    Pilate's Wife's Dream - Charlotte Bronte - 1816-1855


    Job 33:17

    to turn a man from wrongdoing


    and keep him from pride,





     
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    This day, Truth stoops from heaven and visits earth;

    Ere night descends I shall more surely know

    What guide to follow, in what path to go;

    I wait in hope—I wait in solemn fear,

    The oracle of God—the sole—true God—to hear.

    Pilate's Wife's Dream

    Charlotte Bronte - 1816-1855
     
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    One of the prevalent drives of the present culture is to promote the mutability of men and women. To suggest the differences between men and women are only physiological. Jesus invested his illustrations heavily in the natural world the harvest, the beauty of bird feathering, fishing ect. In all of nature the male female polarity is a dynamic central to creation and reproduction, true also throughout the seemingly innumerable botanical species of plant life. A large societal movement to promote the mutability of the male female dynamic may have satanic forces driving it. The polarity is clearly a fundamental aspect of God's creation through which the created things are imbued themselves with the power to create. On an individual level humans contain biologically within their body both polarities. If a man for instance were to attempt to eradicate the female aspects of his biology he would die. The female mitochondria in the DNA of each cell is a female only genetic transmission. So it might logically follow that the promotion of gender fluidity, - societally might also be based in hatred of humanity, the creative power of humanity.

    Women's role in human society is attacked from all extremes. It was not the first man but the first woman, Eve of Eden who was the initial target usurped, manipulated, evicted. The Eden incident involved the question of body coverings which resonates modernly in various ways. The overly extensive body coverings worn by Islamic and Catholic acolytes are a particular take on modesty. These women are apparently so beautiful even seeing their ears could cause a man to lose control of himself. These established sects claim to show societal respect for women by protecting them from the human gaze.



    Whilst mass media through the advertising of commercial products, music video, cinema, fashion claim to be liberating women through exploitation. These are different extremes to the same end, distortion of perception. A similar dynamic to how holy scripture was for years held captive by the European church torturing and killing people who attempted to translate or proliferate it, restricting its availability. Then with the break from the British empire and establishing of the U.S.A the over proliferation of sects and exploitation of scripture. Distortion and confusion.


    If it was Jehovah who provoked Claudia Procula's dream perhaps she was a genuinely conscientious person whose life path had far reaching consequences through her marriage to Pontius Pilate. What ever the dream was it must have been extremely terrifying for her to write an urgent note to her husband. Like dreaming of the fall of Eden.


    An incident in scripture which is not often compared to Eve's encounter with the serpent in Eden is Christ's encounter with the Samaritan woman at the well. Likely scholars not wishing to cast Jesus in an inappropriate role, yet it is an interesting examination as an antitype.

    The dynamics which are similar include the meeting being between an unsuspecting woman and an agent of the heavens who hold the future of mankind's destiny in sway. An exclusive meeting by a physical faculty which produces either literally or metaphorically food and drink which has the power of producing everlasting life. (Eden's fruit of the tree of life & Sychar's Well of Jacob, Christ is using a a euphemism for the well of eternal life)


    The meeting is uniquely recorded in John's gospel only.


    Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?”At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees* of the garden we may eat. But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it,

    When Satan asks Eve a question she complicity answers it. Compare this with how the Samaritan woman highly favoured by Jesus reacts to his speech.

    Therefore the Sa·marʹi·tan woman said to him: “How is it that you, despite being a Jew, ask me for a drink, when I am a Sa·marʹi·tan woman?” (For Jews have no dealings with Sa·marʹi·tans.)

    The more obvious content is the Question of Jews V Samaritans, but before that is the fact that the Samaritan woman is 'pushing back' on Jesus by beginning to question him, something entirely absent in Eve's reaction.

    Jesus is not at the Well to get water like the Samaritan woman. Jesus is there because it is a known rendezvous point. His disciples will know where to find him when they arrive to meet him. So he hasn't shown up there with a water jar.

    The Samaritan woman does have a water Jar. Yet when Jesus asks for a drink she doesnt immediately offer her Jar she questions him.

    She said to him: “Sir, you have not even a bucket for drawing water


    This woman is behaving very differently from Eve, she is questioning and pushing back. Displaying fortitude yet Jesus is not derisive of her because of it rather she seems to qualify herself. What might this woman have answered the serpent if it had been her in the first garden ? Perhaps she would have said “Why don't you eat the fruit yourself you look like you could use it, you look a bit skinny” ?

    The fact is here is Jesus probably looking like the healthiest man she has ever seen, handsome and he is probably playing with her a little bit. He probably looks like the person least in need of water that she has ever seen. Later Jesus reveals he can discern she has been married many times. He knows she's been asked to fetch; for men, many times. Jesus had done like this when he likened the Greeks to dogs which had not resulted in the Greek woman taking offence but rather trading wits with him which he seemed to appreciate.

    She might've have given him a drink from her Jar if she'd really thought he was thirsty. Later in the account when she leaves Jesus she also leaves her Jar behind.


    The woman, therefore, left her water jar and went off into the city and told the men:


    This woman raises herself the issue of the Messiah. This is a discerning person. It might be asked if she is discerning why did she marry five times. (The television court judge Judy Shiendlin famous for her wit and discernment married the same man twice after divorcing him)


    It is at this point Jesus remarks that ` A prophet is not accepted in his own homeland`.The First three gospels record this statement coming from Jesus after he entered Galilee having already left Jacob's Well and the Samaritan woman he met there. (Mat 13:57, Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24).

    However John (who's is the only gospel containing the account of this meeting ) reports this statement; between the time Jesus left Jacob's Well where he preached to Samaritans, and before he enters Galilee.

    (John does not claim that the statement was actually spoken here, he simply choses to record the statement at this point).

    Thus showing how he related the Samaritan woman's dishonouring by her own people to Jesus's being dishonoured in his own homeland. After Jesus preached to the people of the woman's village they believed in him yet they disavowed the woman who had led them to him apparently she didn't have a great reputation as a multiple time divorcee with a live in boyfriend.

    For until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law. Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam, who bears a resemblance to him that was to come.


    This is a very interesting passage from the book of Romans it marks the time period by which sin enter the world through on man, Adam; To the time the law entered the world through one man, Moses. It goes on to reveal there are men who would not have acted as Adam had in Eden. The infirance has to be that Moses is an example of one of those men.

    If there are men who would not have acted like Adam in Eden there must also be women who would not have acted like Eve. The Samaritan woman at the Well is a certainty for a candidate.


    If we excuse ourselves the inappropriate comparative aspects of Jesus who literally is playfully asking this woman to do things he doesn't really expect her to do, such as fetch a husband she doesn't have, get water for him.

    Her reactions comparative to how Eve reacted in the garden furnish us with understanding. Whilst it may seem inappropriate casting; Jesus was sent from heaven to rectify Eden; Satan has also been assigned to Eden from an angelic station.

    Making a comparison of impromptu meetings with unsuspecting women who received misprompting in both cases (albeit with entirely opposite intentions) is quite natural.

    Perhaps it is demure not to make the comparison like the demure who will not respectfully ask questions or push back.


    Thirsting much ?

    Come here, see a man that told me all the things I did. This is not perhaps the Christ,+ is it?” They went out of the city and began coming to him. Meanwhile the disciples were urging him, saying: “Rabbi,+ eat.” But he said to them: “I have food to eat of which YOU do not know.”
     
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    I've quench'd my lamp, I struck it in that start
    Which every limb convulsed, I heard it fall—
    The crash blent with my sleep, I saw depart
    Its light, even as I woke, on yonder wall;
    Over against my bed, there shone a gleam
    Strange, faint, and mingling also with my dream.

    It sank, and I am wrapt in utter gloom;
    How far is night advanced, and when will day
    Retinge the dusk and livid air with bloom,
    And fill this void with warm, creative ray?
    Would I could sleep again till, clear and red,
    Morning shall on the mountain-tops be spread!

    I'd call my women, but to break their sleep,
    Because my own is broken, were unjust;
    They've wrought all day, and well-earn'd slumbers steep
    Their labours in forgetfulness, I trust;
    Let me my feverish watch with patience bear,
    Thankful that none with me its sufferings share.

    Yet, oh, for light! one ray would tranquillize
    My nerves, my pulses, more than effort can;
    I'll draw my curtain and consult the skies:
    These trembling stars at dead of night look wan,
    Wild, restless, strange, yet cannot be more drear
    Than this my couch, shared by a nameless fear.

    All black—one great cloud, drawn from east to west,
    Conceals the heavens, but there are lights below;
    Torches burn in Jerusalem, and cast
    On yonder stony mount a lurid glow.
    I see men station'd there, and gleaming spears;
    A sound, too, from afar, invades my ears.

    Dull, measured strokes of axe and hammer ring
    From street to street, not loud, but through the night
    Distinctly heard—and some strange spectral thing
    Is now uprear'd—and, fix'd against the light
    Of the pale lamps, defined upon that sky,
    It stands up like a column, straight and high.

    I see it all—I know the dusky sign—
    A cross on Calvary, which Jews uprear
    While Romans watch; and when the dawn shall shine
    Pilate, to judge the victim, will appear—
    Pass sentence-yield Him up to crucify;
    And on that cross the spotless Christ must die.

    Dreams, then, are true—for thus my vision ran;
    Surely some oracle has been with me,
    The gods have chosen me to reveal their plan,
    To warn an unjust judge of destiny:
    I, slumbering, heard and saw; awake I know,
    Christ's coming death, and Pilate's life of woe.

    I do not weep for Pilate—who could prove
    Regret for him whose cold and crushing sway
    No prayer can soften, no appeal can move:
    Who tramples hearts as others trample clay,
    Yet with a faltering, an uncertain tread,
    That might stir up reprisal in the dead.

    Forced to sit by his side and see his deeds;
    Forced to behold that visage, hour by hour,
    In whose gaunt lines the abhorrent gazer reads
    A triple lust of gold, and blood, and power;
    A soul whom motives fierce, yet abject, urge—
    Rome's servile slave, and Judah's tyrant scourge.

    How can I love, or mourn, or pity him?
    I, who so long my fetter'd hands have wrung;
    I, who for grief have wept my eyesight dim ;
    Because, while life for me was bright and young,
    He robb'd my youth—he quench'd my life's fair ray—
    He crush'd my mind, and did my freedom slay.

    And at this hour—although I be his wife—
    He has no more of tenderness from me
    Than any other wretch of guilty life ;
    Less, for I know his household privacy—
    I see him as he is—without a screen;
    And, by the gods, my soul abhors his mien!

    Has he not sought my presence, dyed in blood—
    Innocent, righteous blood, shed shamelessly?
    And have I not his red salute withstood?
    Ay, when, as erst, he plunged all Galilee
    In dark bereavement—in affliction sore,
    Mingling their very offerings with their gore.

    Then came he—in his eyes a serpent-smile,
    Upon his lips some false, endearing word,
    And through the streets of Salem clang'd the while
    His slaughtering, hacking, sacrilegious sword—
    And I, to see a man cause men such woe,
    Trembled with ire—I did not fear to show.

    And now, the envious Jewish priests have brought
    Jesus—whom they in mock'ry call their king—
    To have, by this grim power, their vengeance wrought;
    By this mean reptile, innocence to sting.
    Oh! could I but the purposed doom avert,
    And shield the blameless head from cruel hurt!

    Accessible is Pilate's heart to fear,
    Omens will shake his soul, like autumn leaf;
    Could he this night's appalling vision hear,
    This just man's bonds were loosed, his life were safe,
    Unless that bitter priesthood should prevail,
    And make even terror to their malice quail.

    Yet if I tell the dream—but let me pause.
    What dream? Erewhile the characters were clear,
    Graved on my brain—at once some unknown cause
    Has dimm'd and razed the thoughts, which now appear,
    Like a vague remnant of some by-past scene;—
    Not what will be, but what, long since, has been.

    I suffer'd many things—I heard foretold
    A dreadful doom for Pilate,—lingering woes,
    In far, barbarian climes, where mountains cold
    Built up a solitude of trackless snows,
    There he and grisly wolves prowl'd side by side,
    There he lived famish'd—there, methought, he died;

    But not of hunger, nor by malady;
    I saw the snow around him, stain'd with gore;
    I said I had no tears for such as he,
    And, lo! my cheek is wet—mine eyes run o'er;
    I weep for mortal suffering, mortal guilt,
    I weep the impious deed, the blood self-spilt.

    More I recall not, yet the vision spread
    Into a world remote, an age to come—
    And still the illumined name of Jesus shed
    A light, a clearness, through the unfolding gloom—
    And still I saw that sign, which now I see,
    That cross on yonder brow of Calvary.

    What is this Hebrew Christ? to me unknown
    His lineage—doctrine—mission; yet how clear
    Is God-like goodness in his actions shown,
    How straight and stainless is his life's career!
    The ray of Deity that rests on him,
    In my eyes makes Olympian glory dim.

    The world advances; Greek or Roman rite
    Suffices not the inquiring mind to stay;
    The searching soul demands a purer light
    To guide it on its upward, onward way;
    Ashamed of sculptured gods, Religion turns
    To where the unseen Jehovah's altar burns.

    Our faith is rotten, all our rites defiled,
    Our temples sullied, and, methinks, this man,
    With his new ordinance, so wise and mild,
    Is come, even as He says, the chaff to fan
    And sever from the wheat; but will his faith
    Survive the terrors of to-morrow's death ?



    I feel a firmer trust—a higher hope
    Rise in my soul—it dawns with dawning day;
    Lo! on the Temple's roof—on Moriah's slope
    Appears at length that clear and crimson ray
    Which I so wished for when shut in by night;
    Oh, opening skies, I hail, I bless pour light!

    Part, clouds and shadows! Glorious Sun appear!
    Part, mental gloom! Come insight from on high!
    Dusk dawn in heaven still strives with daylight clear
    The longing soul doth still uncertain sigh.
    Oh! to behold the truth—that sun divine,
    How doth my bosom pant, my spirit pine!

    This day, Time travails with a mighty birth;
    This day, Truth stoops from heaven and visits earth;
    Ere night descends I shall more surely know
    What guide to follow, in what path to go;
    I wait in hope—I wait in solemn fear,
    The oracle of God—the sole—true God—to hear.

     
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    This tree named 'Methusela'after Noah's grandfather is the oldest [known] living thing on the planet.

    A Bristlecone pine the groups of trees it grows amongst is keep secret by the U.S. government.

    Its identity within the grove is also kept secret.

    This tree germinated within approx one human lifetime of the great flood. Its parent was alive during the timeframe of Eden.

    When Nimrod was ruining the creation this tree was begining to wisen.

    A contemporary of the very ancient Olive trees in Gethsemane.

    These are claims based on current science which could be proved inaccurate at some future point.

    By its own standards - The U.S. Government has secrets as old as Nimrod

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah_(tree)

    Methuselah was 4,789 years old when sampled (likely in 1957) by Edmund Schulman and Tom Harlan,[1] with an estimated germination date of 2833 BC. Since this tree ages back to this date, using tree rings, research shows precipitation patterns that date back to 1983 BC.[7]

     
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    Genesis 2:9

    Thus Jehovah God made to grow out of the ground every tree desirable to one’s sight and good for food and also the tree of life + in the middle of the garden and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.

    Revelation 22:22

    And he showed me a river of water of life,+ clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb + down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side [there were] trees*+ of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month.+ And the leaves of the trees [were] for the curing of the nations.
     
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    Jeremiah 29:11



    11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
     

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