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    Jesus himself wondered if indeed he would find the faith on his return.....but that's the true faith he's talking about there...after the cleansing or refining...
    No one seems to be taking any note of Isaiah17 1,2....Apronouncement against Damascus..Look Damascus will cease to be a city and it will become a heap of ruins.....etc etc....as the whole chapter goes on...

    I was watching the city of Damascus itself..but since then I have learned that in ancient days....Damascus actually referred generally to the whole country of Syria....yet also to its city.......

    So the question I have..am I taking this out of context ?????..does it not have some fullfillment in our time??.
    To my knowledge the city of Damascus has never been bought to ruin as is happening now.....
    The Syrian war has been going for five years now....
    So why has this not been discussed in the WT
    Why have we not discussed it here...
    Or have I got this seemingly ...prophecy wrong ????.:confused:
     
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    Just my two cents, we should keep in mind that after Cornelius was baptized a lot of the terminology of cities changed meaning. Such as Israel became the spiritual Israel containing all who worship the true God through Christ.

    Cities like Egypt, Ephraim, etc, are metaphors for fulfillment's in our day and do not necessarily represent the city known of in the past. We see this with the beasts in Rev 13 and there final fulfillment in the time of the end, after we know they had a previous fulfillment in Dan 7.
     
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    Along with that, this was "literally" fulfilled in Isaiah's day.

    Still ... interesting, however you slice it.
     
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    But it actually says no one will inhabitant it..or,cease to,exist......did that happen in Isiahas day?...anyway..it's interesting ....and a wait and see job I suppose...
     
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    Okay ..I may be up a tree with this one ...
     
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    I don't think you're up a tree at all.

    I've been pondering Isaiah 17 for the last couple years, since Syria became a topic.

    "wait and see job" ... yup.

    EXTREMELY interesting, regardless, as Damascus and Jerusalem are *literally* central to world affairs.

    Spiritual, physical ... who knows. Everything we 'believe' regarding prophecy is interpretation predicated on predisposition, assumption, etc.
     
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    Damascus 2014..... image.jpeg
     
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    Good ol' U.S. and U.K. meddling!
     
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    I really enjoyed this one at tonight's meeting, too. :)
     
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    I watched the video and it was very well done and showed how people's personalities can be changed in a dramatic way. They made a statement though that caught my attention. It was where they said that the oriental magi that traveled such a long distance to pay homage to Jesus went there to murder him via Satan's instructions. There is absolutely no evidence that they did anything even resembling that. Yes, they saw a star that informed them (due to their knowledge of the stars which does not have to be akin to the knowledge of modern day astrologers (which is demonic). They travelled perhaps as far as from China or India. So they probably left as soon as they saw the "star" which was when Jesus was born. They arrived in the Middle East when Jesus was about 2 years old since that was the age at which Herod had the little boys killed. So, if they left when Jesus was born, they travelled for about 2 years or just slightly less. When they arrived there they did nothing to suggest that they were there to harm Jesus but they fell down and paid homage to him while giving him and the family expensive gifts. When they left, they saw a vision from God and were told not to go back to Herod but to travel home a different way. They totally complied.

    Could there be another explanation? Was there another motive for their visit (I suggest yes and that their motives were only good.). Remember when Abraham was going to die he did something very interesting. He blessed Isaac his first born son and then he gave gifts to his sons through Keturah (his wife after Sarah died and his concubine before her death) and sent them "to the east". Could these oriental scientist's have been Abraham's descendent's from Keturah? Some Bible Investigators think that it is a possibility. The fact that they were there to pay homage to a 2 year old child suggests to me that they knew somehow from hundreds to thousands of miles away that this child was special. There has to be a good reason for this belief. Would you travel thousands of miles by camel or wagon to do the same unless you had special motivation? I wouldn't. Perhaps some of the gifts that Abraham gave to his wife and Sons were not physical but spiritual. Also, if Abraham's twp wives Sarah and Hagar represented covenants form God, what about Keturah? Food for thought.
     
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    I think Jehovah has already started to prepare for the new world ahead of us :)

     
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    So do I....

    "Nevertheless, when the Son of man arrives, will he really find this faith on the earth?" - Luke 18:8
     
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    Remember he's not talking about any Christians ......he's talking about true faith....you can clearly see that as he goes,on to explain the difference between two believers, the tax collector and the Pharisee.......and that faith will be tested to the max so it will be refined like the Gold of Ophir...truly the purest form of gold/faith to be found .
    That's why he said that...it's our actual TESTING that makes tue faith rare..
    It's got nothing to do with a time period...
    We will be threshed...so
    will he find the true faith standing when he arrives ..

    We need to keep our eye on what's happening within Gods house...that's the marker to go by..not what's happening in the world
    I would be so bold as to say the discipline is already happening ...it's unfolding even now...
    Soon it may be a matter of life and death to identify with Jehovah...to acknowledge him as our Almighty God .
    It's happening in Russia and China now...it won't be long before it hits us in the western world...

    I'm not waiting for Armaggeddon...I'm waiting for the discipline to hit Australia..where it will be a matter of possibly losing home and family and friends ....perhaps imprisonment ..where we will receive the few strokes allowed to us for our errors.....how ever it comes down and from whatever source....family? UN! Governments,
    They will try to kill us....in that I mean ..kill our spirituality ....if they mange to do that ....we are as good as dead anyway...
    I am aware we may not all face such crushing life threatening trials.....nor is.that necessary in every country.
    Our loyalty is constantly being tested....our spirituality constantly being threatened ....Satan is very sly indeed.
    He may be tricking us by keeping a roof over our heads and food in our belly and a pay check coming in...
    Indeed as he said..our own family members are the ones who may betray us......that doesn't always mean handing us over to authorities...that can mean by lulling us into celebrating Xmas....New Years eve..etc.....they have thus successfully managed to get us to betray our God...just like Eve enticed Adam to break his loyalty to Jehovah..so can our family....
    So I am left wondering ....just how is it really going to come down over here???
    Sure I may die before it all finishes ..but that's because Im older than most of you.....but don't go thinking its that far away either..........tricky tricky hey ..
     
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    I just read that a brother from Mexico reported that the simlified edition of watchtower will only be printed in English now.
    THe WTs in the languages that miss out will now be printed as the normal study article but in a easier to understand manner in their language.

    Also has any one heard about a talk given on JOEL very recently...like this week??.
     
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    I know all leaders and the UN has been saying peace and security since the Berlin wall came down.
    For me I would have to say I have been a little cynical of hearing it so much even now...
    Yet with a change in the Head of the UN..and with Trump and his personality ..I am thinking now may just be the time we have long awaited for the UN to gain it's teeth and new power the bring about the final cry....how ever that may turn out to be....?????? Time will tell us if it is actually unfolding..


    http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/e...d-to-make-2017-a-year-for-peace/#.WGrMopCfarW
     
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    To me the key words in this scripture are "instant destruction".

    1 Th 5:3 "Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them."

    In the timeline of the end, this call appears to come moments before Armageddon.
     
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